Talk:live in poverty

Before I start this word article, let me point out: the term "living in poverty" is a contentious one.

I think it has two opposite meanings:

1. having a cash income below the official poverty line
2. actually experiencing poverty

Liberals and conservatives disagree over whether welfare recipients are living in poverty. Liberals say, we can't count in kind benefits (like subsidized housing, Medicaid or free public schools). We can't even count income tax rebates, SSI checks or other government cash handouts.

Conservatives deny that welfare recipients are still living in poverty, if the monetary value of the benefits combined with normal "income" raises the standard of living over the poverty level. --Ed Poor 15:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

RFD discussion: March–April 2021

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live in poverty

SOP. Imetsia (talk) 22:27, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

• My first inclination would be to move to in poverty and revise accordingly, since this seems to be a set propositional phrase comparable to others that we have, such as in prison, in bed, or at home. bd2412 T 05:21, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
• Move to in poverty per bd2412. BigDom 06:55, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
• Redirect to poverty and explain it there. Troll Control (talk) 07:00, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
• Delete. This is (IMO) obviously SOP, similar to live in squalor ^[1][2][3] and live in opulence.^[4][5][6] People who are poor can also remain in poverty.^[7][8][9] But do not create in poverty; expressions such as in poverty, in squalor, in blissful ignorance, in rapture, etc., obviously mean in a condition of poverty, etc., and are also SOP. The present definitions involving a notion of “poverty level” as a threshold are essentially circular, since the latter is an attempt by statisticians or governments to provide a quantitative criterion for “living in proverty”, and is a relatively recent invention, originally developed in the sixties.^[10] The expression live in poverty is much older.^[11][12][13]  --Lambiam 12:19, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
• Delete. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 19:43, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Delete. Equinox ◑ 09:49, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

SoP delete SemperBlotto (talk) 09:51, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Delete per Lambiam. DAVilla 14:06, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Delete. Clear sum of parts. Glades12 (talk) 17:07, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Delete. Just SOP. No learner of English or anyone else will look it up. Facts707 (talk) 14:48, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

• RFD-deleted. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 22:40, 26 April 2021 (UTC)