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We have some blocks that spell out NOEL so I changed them round to spell LONE and then ENOL. How do you pronounce enol? I found a couple of YouTube videos such as Keto-Enol Tautomerism where it's pronounced /ˈiːnɔl/, but I was thinking it was /ˈɛnɔl/. Phenol also lacks a pronunciation section, and I looked enol up in my dictionary and it's not listed. Help? Mglovesfun (talk) 20:17, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

  • enol certainly rhymes with phenol (and eugenol). I have never gotten around to learning IPA - but it is a long "eee" (as in tea) followed by "knoll" (the little hill). So it doesn't rhyme with Tylenol or xylenol (short "e" as in "test"). Stress is on the first syllable. SemperBlotto (talk) 22:16, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
    Is that how you pronounce Tylenol? With a short "e"? I've never heard any pronunciation other than TYE-luh-knoll (i.e. /ˈtaɪ.lə.nɔʊl/). --WikiTiki89 23:13, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
    You could be right. I may never have actually heard it pronounced (not used in the UK). SemperBlotto (talk) 08:41, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Thik MarkEdit

Hey, SemperBlotto. Curious as to the removal of the etymology offered for 'tick mark'. This was the etymology offered me my whole life; while I am now away from my library (and have no Oxford Unabridged nearby), I even remember a dozen references of former military Brits stationed in India, who adopted 'tick' in the Hindi form of 'good, acceptable' in their everyday lingo.

Did you remove it because you know a more accurate etymology, or because you'd never heard this one? —This unsigned comment was added by (talk).

  • I assume you decided to edit Wiktionary without ever using it first. Otherwise you would have noticed that our entries are strictly formatted. You added plain text after the final interwiki link. You should have added a properly formatted ===Etymology=== section near the top. SemperBlotto (talk) 08:27, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Ah. A thousand apologies. I'd have thought that poorly formatted information might be corrected, not excised. I'll be more cautious to adhere to orthodox expression in the future. It does make me wonder how much good information has been lost to the aether due to poor formatting, and the tendency to delete the poorly formatted, rather than correct it. —This unsigned comment was added by (talk).

Rollback on the entry editorEdit

I would like to ask for the reason. --Kc kennylau (talk) 11:00, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

  • I don't believe that edit is derived from editor - rather the other way round. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:01, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
    • Please kindly refer to the etymology of edit. --Kc kennylau (talk) 11:02, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
      • I'm not convinced. The OED has the same, but first states that it comes from the Latin. Feel free to reinstate your addition if you want to. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:07, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
        • I am no expert on etymology, but you may think this way: editors were the people working at a newspaper company to write an article or stuff, with little relation to editing. --Kc kennylau (talk) 11:12, 10 January 2014 (UTC)


I would like to create a category for the German verb conjugations without an existing link of the conjugated words. If you permit me to do so, I am able to do it all by myself. --Kc kennylau (talk) 12:32, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

  • No way I can stop you. But make sure it is named correctly. SemperBlotto (talk) 12:34, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
    • Since English is not my native language, please suggest a name to me for the name of the Category. --Kc kennylau (talk) 15:01, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
  • It would seem to contain the names of German verbs. Therefore should be named something like "German verbs having red links in their conjugation table". However, if it is meant to be a temporary category, to be used by you alone, then you could call it something like "Kc kennylau test category" - and remember to get it deleted when you have finished with it. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:24, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

p.s. While we are on the subject of verbs and verb forms, I notice that you are creating German verb forms but using "head|de|verb" - this puts them, incorrectly, into the category "German verbs". SemperBlotto (talk) 15:24, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

  • What is the correct way? And what about the name? Thanks in advance. --Kc kennylau (talk) 15:24, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
    • See abalienierst as a typical German verb form that seems to be correctly formatted. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:27, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
      • Please do not avoid my question about the suggested grammatically correct name. --Kc kennylau (talk) 15:30, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
        • I think I have answered that above. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:32, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
          • Oh, a million apologies. Please forgive me. --Kc kennylau (talk) 15:33, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Wow, that is a lot of work to do. P.S. This category is still incomplete since not all pages are purged. --Kc kennylau (talk) 15:50, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

  • It might be a good idea if I take time out from what I am doing, and try to make the bot SemperBlottoBot do the work for you. Please carry on for the time being - I shall use your verb forms as education. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:54, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
    • I believe that there is some error in my code and I will have to debug it before it keeps spreading. --Kc kennylau (talk) 16:01, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
      • Bug found. Now I have to work. --Kc kennylau (talk) 16:14, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
        • Bug fixed. --Kc kennylau (talk) 16:33, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
          • No bug found in implementing the second part of the project. --Kc kennylau (talk) 16:41, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
            • Documentation of the affected templates updated. Project finished. This is a great request, but please purge all German verbs if you have time and if you want to. --Kc kennylau (talk) 16:48, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
              • Removed all the "verb"s from "{{head|de|verb}}" manually. --Kc kennylau (talk) 17:05, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Request to adjectiveEdit

I request to do the same to adjective declension tables. --Kc kennylau (talk) 04:09, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Request for using AWBEdit

Please kindly look at my request, then please deny or accept it. --Kc kennylau (talk) 15:39, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

  • I don't know anything about AWB - never used it, don't know what it does. SemperBlotto (talk) 22:10, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Uncategorized German noun forms.Edit

E.g. [[Hämoglobins#German]]. (Full list at User:Yair rand/uncategorized language sections/Not English#German.) —RuakhTALK 21:05, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Looks like somebody changed {{genitive of}}. Now I wonder who that might have been. Perhaps they'd like to fix it. SemperBlotto (talk) 22:08, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
    • Ugh. Probably not, but I'll ask. Thanks. —RuakhTALK 03:00, 12 January 2014 (UTC)   Actually, I see now that she's started editing those entries to use {{head|de|noun form}}. (Which is a good change, but I don't see why she always finds it necessary to change things by first breaking and then fixing. And without informing affected parties. Ah, well.) —RuakhTALK 03:04, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

I request againEdit

User talk:SemperBlotto#Request to adjective. --Kc kennylau (talk) 03:17, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Don't be so bloody impatient. I'm busy! SemperBlotto (talk) 08:35, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
    • Sorry but that was already 1 day before, and all you have to do is say yes or no. I apologize again for my impatience. --Kc kennylau (talk) 08:37, 12 January 2014 (UTC)


Why did you revert the French definition of recetter ? Please read and un-revert, thanks! Nicolas1981 (talk) 04:51, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

I think that he reverted your edit because you used the noun heading and you did not provide any link. --Kc kennylau (talk) 08:28, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes. You called it a noun, gave it a headword of verb form, translated it without any linking and didn't give a conjugation table. Not much right with it really. SemperBlotto (talk) 08:34, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Oh, I was wrong indeed, it was the wrong heading! Sorry about that, and thanks for checking my mess :-) Nicolas1981 (talk) 05:44, 18 January 2014 (UTC)


Hey, pancontinental exists in Portuguese and so I put on the page. ArionEstar (talk) 15:06, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

{{de-decl-adj}}, {{de-decl-adj-notcomp}}, {{de-decl-adj-notcomp-nopred}}Edit

I apologize if I am too active these days, but I have two suggestions of rework:

First suggestion: I would like to build 3 templates: {{de-decl-adj-pos}}, {{de-decl-adj-comp}}, {{de-decl-adj-sup}}. The first template will contain the positive form of {{{1}}}, the second template will contain the comparative form of {{{1}}}, and the third template will contain the superlative form of {{{1}}}. The three templates will have one more parameter, {{{nopred}}}, which, if is not empty, will disable the predicate. Then, {{de-decl-adj}} can call the three templates, {{de-decl-adj-notcomp}} can call the first template, {{de-decl-adj-notcomp-nopred}} can call the first template with {{{nopred}}} turned on.
Second suggestion: I would like to build only 1 template: {{de-decl-adj-table}}, with three parameters. {{{1}}} will be the stem of the positive/comparative/superlative form. {{{form}}} will be whether the adjective is in positive form, comparative form or superlative form. {{{nopred}}} will disable the predicate when turned on. {{de-decl-adj}} can call the template thrice, {{de-decl-adj-notcomp}} can call the template once, and {{de-decl-adj-notcomp-nopred}} can call the template once while turning {{{nopred}}} on.

Since you left a comment on {{de-decl-adj}} about me informing you, here is the mirror. --kc_kennylau (talk) 04:02, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


Could you please take a look at user Wingfai.angel's contributions. I just reverted an edit to space but none of their contributions seem constructive. SpinningSpark 00:25, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Notification made for your message at Template:de-decl-adj/documentation#NoteEdit

{{de-decl-adj}}, {{de-decl-adj-notcomp}}, {{de-decl-adj-notcomp-nopred}} have now been modified by CodeCat and me, and {{de-decl-adj-table}} has been created. This notification is sent to you because of your message at Template:de-decl-adj/documentation#Note. --kc_kennylau (talk) 05:38, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

  • You do not seem to have changed the format of the parameters as specified in the actual usage of the templates. That is all I need to know. Thanks anyway. SemperBlotto (talk) 12:17, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
    • They have changed. The second parameter can now be - to indicate there are no comparative or superlative forms. In any case, this notice is premature because the template is still being worked on. —CodeCat 12:22, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
      • OK. Remember to update the documentation when finished. SemperBlotto (talk) 12:24, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
        • p.s. Are there cases where a comparative, but not a superlative exists? SemperBlotto (talk) 12:29, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
          • Yes, like erster and ersterer, but they have a different meaning. Therefore can I just say no. --kc_kennylau (talk) 12:46, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
          • In a logical sense, if one word has a comparative form, it is comparable. When two things are comparable, one thing must be better than the other, therefore a superlative must exist. --kc_kennylau (talk) 12:48, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
            • When comparing only two things to each other, the comparative and superlative are really synonyms. So it's feasible, if an adjective can only ever be used to compare two things, that it might not have a superlative. —CodeCat 13:30, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
              • But if one thing is better than the other, it must be the best among the two things... --kc_kennylau (talk) 13:33, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
What I really meant was:- will de-decl-adj be allowed to have a comparative followed by a hyphen for the superlative (or the converse)? SemperBlotto (talk) 14:54, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
I don't think that is necessary, but I will implement this feature. --kc_kennylau (talk) 06:04, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

"sales" as an adjectiveEdit

Why was my "sales as an adjective" addition rolled back? -- bob

  • That is not an adjective. It is just attributive use of the noun. SemperBlotto (talk) 09:45, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

It's an adjective too: among others... -- Bob

  • They are wrong. If you want to fight it, take it up at the Tea room. SemperBlotto (talk) 10:30, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

You are wrong and I have productive work to do and a life to live. Enjoy your private sandbox.

-- Bob


Why did you revert my edit here? Depressogenic IS a noun. And in fact, you even reverted my antonyms list. Could you please explain your revert? Porchcorpter (talk) 00:36, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

You probably need citations, see WT:CFI and the section on citations. Check for usage of the term in a noun sense on Usenet (found in Google Groups) or Google Books. That said, my understanding is that most words suffixed with -genic can sometimes, and in rare instances, be used in a noun sense, but they are not 'true nouns'. TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 01:28, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Okay. Thanks for your information. But anxiogenic is a noun. Porchcorpter (talk) 01:44, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
I've done a search on Google Books, and on Google Search. And I found results on "depressogenics" (the plural of "depressogenic"). And even this category on Wikipedia is pluralized. Porchcorpter (talk) 02:08, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
So, SemperBlotto, why did you revert the edit? Porchcorpter (talk) 08:31, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
A quick search showed only the adjective sense. Also "An agent that causes or tend to cause depression" was bad grammar. Noun sense now added. SemperBlotto (talk) 08:35, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for fixing it. Porchcorpter (talk) 08:36, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Ok, I've messed this upEdit

So how can my creation of Mayor (surname) which I think has better content be fixed and the content moved to Mayor? Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 10:38, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

  • This is not Wikipedia. i.e. Mayor (surname) is not a "word". Feel free to update the entry at Mayor, being careful not to be encyclopedic, and putting any etymology in the properly formatted ===Etymology=== section. SemperBlotto (talk) 10:58, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
@Dougweller: Please note that although Wiktionary and Wikipedia use the same system, Wiktionary is not Wikipedia. In Wiktionary, we do not create pages disambiguation, nor do we use parentheses to disambiguate. Moreover, please do not copy directly from Wikipedia, as we use a completely different format. Etymological entries use the templates From {{etyl|from-language|to-language}} {{term|to-language|the term}} to create a tree. frei would serve as a good example for the etymological entries. --kc_kennylau (talk) 11:01, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Fair enough, thanks. However, the name doesn't appear to be Anglo-Norman but is a variant of Mayer as well as a Catalan variant of Major. But I won't try to fix it again unless I can figure out the syntax to show the various sources. I think I've fixed Enfield correctly but that probably won't stick as the editor who created it found a placename site that he thinks is superior to anything else. Dougweller (talk) 14:20, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

About my request in Beer parlourEdit

I know that you do not use AutoWikiBrowser and are extremely unfamiliar with it. However, if I am enabled to use it, it will be much easier for me to do mass editing, as well as adding declension tables to the adjectives that you have given me. I beg you to respond to my request although you have little knowledge in its function. If you want to enable me to use AWB, you can simply add my name in WT:AWB. --kc_kennylau (talk) 12:37, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

About German Update (take 2)Edit

Could you please make a list of the {{de-adj}} usage without the first parameter, thank you. --kc_kennylau (talk) 16:47, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

  • OK. I've got a program running. I'm off to cook dinner now - will check back later. SemperBlotto (talk) 17:07, 17 January 2014 (UTC)


Hi, can you please delete blödeer and all the other forms mistakenly created by the declension table at blöde (that I just removed)? Only the predicative form ends in -e, the rest of the declension is just like the one for blöd. Thanks! Longtrend (talk) 19:03, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Teks is a malay wordEdit

Teks is a Malay and Indonesian word. The meaning of teks is text. It's a loan word from English. You could fine it in the official Malay dictionary (Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka). Malay have 2 type of writings. ABC letters and Arabic letters (Jawi writing). That's why there's arabic letters there. Hope you could find this useful :) Malaysiaboy (talk) 23:51, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

User:Malaysiaboy: Yes, we know a few things about languages. I guess the revert was due to improper formatting. I have restored your contribution. Please pay attention to WT:ELE#Basics. Otherwise, welcome. Keφr 18:19, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

German update (take 3)Edit

Thanks to User:CodeCat I now have a more complete list. --kc_kennylau (talk) 14:32, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

List updated. --kc_kennylau (talk) 12:36, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
List updated. --kc_kennylau (talk) 10:15, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


I've sent you an email. TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 10:16, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Perhaps you'd like to phone me up to say you have left a note on my talk page! SemperBlotto (talk) 11:04, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

The same mistakeEdit

Could you add some lines to the program of the bot so that it can prevent this mistake from happening again? I always make the same mistake...... --kc_kennylau (talk) 14:50, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

  • OK, I've made the same mistake myself. The bot now tests if the last 4 characters of the superlative are "sten"; if so, it issues a warning message and skips the adjective. SemperBlotto (talk) 16:37, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
    Thank you for your everlasting patience and your never-dying tolerance. --kc_kennylau (talk) 08:16, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
    Modified the code of {{de-decl-adj}} so that it can detect sten ending and fix it. Tested it in my sandbox. Worked. Your newly-added code to your bot and my newly-added code to the template shall work as a double lock :-) --kc_kennylau (talk) 11:08, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Please restoreEdit

Please restore eigenständigerer. --kc_kennylau (talk) 11:25, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Deleted in error - done. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:26, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

About thy botEdit

Do you mind disclosing your bot working hours, out of curiosity? --kc_kennylau (talk) 10:04, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

  • It runs manually, whenever I feel the need. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:14, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Please join this conversation.Edit

Please join this conversation if you like. :-) --kc_kennylau (talk) 02:18, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Please delete the followingEdit

--kc_kennylau (talk) 09:27, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

  • The first three entries were created again by your bot. Please delete them. --kc_kennylau (talk) 07:55, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

About thy bot againEdit

Do you mind adding a few lines in your bot's code so that it can adapt to the comp2 and sup2 parameter in {{de-decl-adj}} <added>so that you do not have to do this edit</added>? Thank you. --kc_kennylau (talk) 09:26, 25 January 2014 (UTC)


I can't even run, it gives me a syntax error at line 172 at the comma. --kc_kennylau (talk) 16:56, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

  • No idea. Why are you trying to run a bot? SemperBlotto (talk) 17:00, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
    • I don't even know why I'm trying to run a bot yet, but in the future I may be able to come up with something that may require bot. I still haven't created a bot account. --kc_kennylau (talk) 17:12, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
    • But as you have said, the documentation is just confusion. --kc_kennylau (talk) 17:13, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
      • Being able to run bot scripts is useful even if you don't make edits with it. You can generate lists of pages for example. —CodeCat 17:13, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
        • So I need to login manually through API sandbox? --kc_kennylau (talk) 17:19, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
  • I honestly can't remember. It is years since I had to login. I seem to remember that I just ran the bot and get a request for the password before it started. SemperBlotto (talk) 17:21, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
    • Don't worry, I'd use API sandbox. --kc_kennylau (talk) 00:43, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
  • I can use pywikipediabot now. Turns out that I used version 3. --kc_kennylau (talk) 09:05, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
    • OK. Remember to get permission if you want to update the wiki using a bot. Cheers. SemperBlotto (talk) 09:47, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
      • I would be grateful if you could offer me help. --kc_kennylau (talk) 09:48, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
        • You are welcome to ask help in running a bot from anybody who currently runs one. (Use the "Special page" called "User list" specifying Bots as the group). SemperBlotto (talk) 09:54, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
          • I am now learning python by myself at a considerable speed. I find that I am repeating your history. --kc_kennylau (talk) 09:57, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
              • Don't forget what Karl Marx said "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." SemperBlotto (talk) 10:10, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
            • What would I do if I want to replace all "a"s to "b"s in a page? Assuming that I already have the page named as page. --kc_kennylau (talk) 09:58, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
              • You could use a function somewhat like the following (where oldtext is your current page, "before" is the text to be replaced, "after" is the replacement. :-
def modit(oldtext, before, after):
   x = oldtext.find(before)
   if x < 0:
       return oldtext
   length = len(before)
   newtext = oldtext[:x] + after + oldtext[x+length:]
   x = newtext.find(before)
   if x < 0:
       return newtext
   return modit(newtext, before, after)
  • What exactly do I do to the packages? Because there are two packages, core and compat. Is the "core" necessary or what? Thank you in advance. --kc_kennylau (talk) 10:02, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
    • Sorry, I don't understand the question (packages?). And, PLEASE, don't ask another question while I'm trying to reply to the first - It gives a very annoying "edit conflict" and I have to type it all in again! SemperBlotto (talk) 10:10, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
      • You can copy your text in the bottom frame in case of edit conflict. When you download PWB, there are two options (core and compat) in which I downloaded both. --kc_kennylau (talk) 10:17, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
        • You probably only need the "package" that contains things like "wikipedia.pyc" and the modules that it calls. (My version is probably several years out of date) SemperBlotto (talk) 10:23, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
          • After reading mw:Manual:Pywikibot/Scripts, I think I know what they are for: core are the essential items, compat is all things. --kc_kennylau (talk) 10:29, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
            • Do I need to have a consensus requested before testing my script? --kc_kennylau (talk) 10:40, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
              • I would recommend going to the Beer Parlour and telling people what you intend to do. You are always allowed to test your script (on a small scale) without permission. If it only reads (but doesn't update) then we won't even know that you are doing anything. I always first test such scripts by displaying the updated or added entries rather than updating the actual wiki. SemperBlotto (talk) 10:49, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
                • UnicodeEncodeError: 'cp950' codec can't encode character u'\u2ff0' in position 116: illegal multibyte sequence --kc_kennylau (talk) 11:05, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
                  • If you are reading from a text file - make sure it has been saved with encoding of UTF-8. Decode a variable using code such as "lemma = lemma.decode('utf-8')" SemperBlotto (talk) 11:09, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
                    • I read this from page.get(). --kc_kennylau (talk) 11:16, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
                      • ... and the very first line of your script should be "#coding: utf-8" (without the quotes) SemperBlotto (talk) 11:21, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
                        • I used print text.decode('utf-8'):
                          • UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u53e3' in position 59: ordinal not in range(128)
                        • --kc_kennylau (talk) 11:36, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
  • What is the term that won't decode? SemperBlotto (talk) 11:40, 27 January 2014 (UTC) p.s. You might like to start a new section of this talk page.
    • The Chinese character 口. --kc_kennylau (talk) 11:43, 27 January 2014 (UTC) p.s. no :p
      • Ah! Outside my comfort zone. You will need to ask somebody else what decoding to use. Sorry. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:44, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
        • p.s See [1] - but I didn't understand it1 SemperBlotto (talk) 11:47, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
          • notice how it can read that character without .decode('utf-8') by looking at the position of both errors. Now it cannot decode this character. --kc_kennylau (talk) 11:52, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
  • I recommend talking to User:CodeCat. Doesn't speak Chinese, but does run a bot that understands exotic characters. (I can't get even some Portuguese to work properly) SemperBlotto (talk) 12:00, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
    • Partially solved it myself using UTF-16. What would I do to do the equivalent of &action=submit in python? --kc_kennylau (talk) 12:11, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
      • The following is an example of adding a new (German) page to wiktionary - and of updating an existing one if it already exists. SemperBlotto (talk) 12:20, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
   page = wikipedia.Page(mysite, pagename)
   if page.exists():
       old_text = page.get()
       if not'==\s*German\s*==', old_text):
           contents = old_text + '\n\n----\n'  + newpage + '\n\n'
           commenttext_add = commenttext + " - appended"
           wikipedia.output(u"Page %s already exists, adding to entry!"%pagename)
           page.put(contents, comment = commenttext_add, minorEdit = False)
           wikipedia.output(u"Page %s already exists with German section, not adding!"%pagename)
       page.put(newpage, comment = commenttext, minorEdit = True)
  • Oh my god, I am screaming right now in my heart! Please excuse me, I'm so excited!!!! See this!!!!!! Thank you soooooo much!!!!!!!!!! --kc_kennylau (talk) 12:27, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Valles Marineris pronunciationEdit


Could you add the pronunciation on Valles Marineris ? (I'm trying to complete fr:Valles Marineris)

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 18:18, 27 January 2014 (UTC)


Hi. Do you have any evidence for the plural forms of Niemand? I doubt they exist. Longtrend (talk) 18:47, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

  • None whatsoever. Removed/deleted. SemperBlotto (talk) 19:53, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

p.s. Feel free to correct any of my German attempts at dictionary entries.

About my botEdit

How would I read pages from a text file and process them? Thanks in advance. --kc_kennylau (talk) 16:13, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

  • I use something like the following. There is something strange about Python reading the first line - I always start (and end) the file with a null line. I've never gotten to the bottom of it. SemperBlotto (talk) 16:20, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
nouns = open('denouns.txt', 'r')
lemma = nouns.readline() # First line strange
while len(lemma) > 1:
    lemma = nouns.readline()[:-1]
    if len(lemma) > 1:
        lemma = lemma.decode('utf-8')
        findforms(lemma) # <=== This is where you process the entry
Thank you, but how to convert a string into a page? --kc_kennylau (talk) 16:23, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
You can construct a page like this:-
   newpage = "==German==" + '\n\n' + "===Noun===" + '\n'
   newpage = newpage + "your headword here" + '\n\n'
   newpage = newpage + "# your definition/translation here"
then feed it into your page.put routine. (\n gives you a newline) SemperBlotto (talk) 16:34, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Of course it won't read the first line, you called readline() twice. I get now what you say, comment discarded. --kc_kennylau (talk) 16:45, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

L2 headerEdit

How would I use python to know which language section I'm working on? Assume I already have get = page.get(). --kc_kennylau (talk) 15:26, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Ah. You just have to analyze the page (using your programming skills), looking for "=="...."==". Being careful to ignore "==="..."===" etc. I have never needed to do so yet. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:32, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
    • But I don't know which header I'll be looking at. I can use re.compile(r'== ?([^=]+) ?==\r') if this is what you're talking about. --kc_kennylau (talk) 15:39, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
      • I don't know what that gobbledegook means. Your on your own really. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:40, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
        • No, that'd only look for "=="...."==", but I'dn't know which section it is. Wait... str.find()... --kc_kennylau (talk) 15:45, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

German conjugationEdit

According to WT:ELE#Headings after the definitions, the conjugation section should come before synonyms and derived/related terms. —CodeCat 17:16, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Oh. I thought we put big tables after little sections. Anyway, whoever adds the conjugation (and it might be me one day) can move it to the proper place. SemperBlotto (talk) 17:19, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

p.s. I'm planning on comparing our conjugation templates with the ones on German Wiktionary, so that I can figure out what to code.

I used a different approach for the Dutch inflection tables, which works well. Instead of trying to replicate everything the table does, and how it interprets its parameters, the template is able to generate bot-readable output if you give it the parameter bot=1. So the bot only needs to do a template expansion, and it receives all the inflected forms in the table, but in a simple and neat format that the bot can easily understand. —CodeCat 18:17, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
I meant - I'm figuring out how to code the actual templates for particular verbs (by seeing how the Germans code theirs). SemperBlotto (talk) 19:47, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
But we already have working templates, don't we? —CodeCat 19:48, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes - but I don't know how to code them for each particular verb - cause I'm only a de-1. It's part of my education. SemperBlotto (talk) 19:50, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
I think the documentations are clear enough, aren't they? --kc_kennylau (talk) 02:37, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Let's take a nice, simple example - {{de-conj-weak}}. It says that we can code the 4th parameter as "e", and tells us what it does. But it doesn't explain when we might want to code it. By looking at other verbs, and looking at the German Wiktionary, I am guessing that we code it if the verb ends in -ten or -den. But I don't know that for a fact. I similarly think that we code the 5th parameter as "t" if the verb ends in -zen or -sen, but don't know it as a fact. Do we ever code both the 4th and 5th parameters? The documentation doesn't say. SemperBlotto (talk) 08:05, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
You're right, the templates are confusing and their documentation isn't terribly clear. In the example at hand 4=e for verbs ending in -ten or -den but also for verbs ending in -nen with a consonant before the -nen, e.g. regnen and ebnen because for those the 3rd person singular is regnet and ebnet, not *regnt and *ebnt. And 5=t for verbs ending in -zen, -sen, and -ßen. So I don't think 4 and 5 are ever both set at the same time. Lua should certainly be able to detect whether the stem ends in t, d, z, s, or ß, and maybe even if it ends in consonant+n, but until the templates get Luacized, we have to limp through with what we've got. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 08:18, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for clearing that up. By the way, I see you sometimes code 6=... instead of just adding a 6th parameter. The Lua form (if we ever get one) might need extra logic to understand that. SemperBlotto (talk) 08:22, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
@Aɴɢʀ: But lernt for lernen may be a counter example of what you've just said? --kc_kennylau (talk) 08:24, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Writing 6= is the same thing as adding a 6th parameter, it just saves having to put in a bunch of pipes with nothing between them first. Kenny, you're right about lernt. The rule given in my grammar book is that the e is inserted not only after d and t but also after m and n when these are preceded by any consonant other than l or r, e.g. atmet and zeichnet but filmt and lernt. Also, verbs in -xen behave like those in -sen/-ßen/-zen, so x is another consonant to add to the list for when to set the 5th parameter to t. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 08:36, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
There's also no e after m and n if the preceding consonant is h, since h isn't pronounced there anyway: it's beschlagnahmt not *beschlagnahmet. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 11:02, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
My attempt (I'm a beginner to Python but know Java well) (not checked at all):
def generate_code_weak(title, separable_prefix=, contains_inseparable_prefix=False):
    prefix_len = len(separable_prefix)
    output = r'{{de-conj-weak|' + title[prefix_len:-2] + r'|'
    if contains_inseparable_prefix:
        output = output + title[prefix_len:-1] + r't'
        output = output + r'ge' + title[prefix_len:-1] + r't'
    output = output + r'|h'
    if title[-3] == 'd' or title[-3] == 't':
        output = output + r'|e'
    elif title[-3] == 'n':
        if not title[-4] == 'l' or title[-4] == 'r':
            output = output + r'|e'
    elif title [-3] == 'x' or title[-3] == 's' or title[-3] == 'ß' or title[-3] == 'z':
        output = output + r'||t'
    if prefix_len > 0:
        output = output + r'|7=' + separable_prefix
    output = output + r'}}'
    return output
--kc_kennylau (talk) 08:52, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

German adjectives, German verbs, now it has come to German nouns...Edit

This is a category that you may wish to work on: Category:German nouns having red links in their declension table. I tried to create a script to do it but I failed. I may try to create it again in case you do not wish to do this. --kc_kennylau (talk) 13:46, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

  • I don't think nouns should be put in this category if the only thing missing is the archaic dative. See Abgott as an example. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:54, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
    • Also, some of these are false. It's the declension template that has been wrongly written. They all need to be looked at by a human. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:57, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
      • Thirdly, {{de-decl-noun-f}} has bugs in it. It often generates the wrong dative plural for example. See Ananas - the dative plural should be Ananassen, but it gives "Ananasn" - please don't create it! SemperBlotto (talk) 16:05, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
        • There is no bug. This solved the problem. The parameter in the f one is different from all the others. --kc_kennylau (talk) 16:09, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

ισ ιτ σο ηαρδ το προσεσσ γρεεκ?!Edit

Is it so hard to process Greek (The title is not translation, it's transliteration)?! :O

I can't even do this!

wikipedia.Page(site, 'καππα')

I tried many method, I've tried them all, all didn't work. I even tried encode and decode combined, or decode and encode combine. I literally tried everything in the world. Please teach me. --kc_kennylau (talk) 16:36, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

  • I have never touched Greek (outside my local taverna). The only thing I can see wrong is your literal 'καππα':- unicode literals in Python have to be coded as u'καππα'. I suggest you talk to somebody who has botified Greek words (don't know who). SemperBlotto (talk) 16:54, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
    • I also tried prepending u, it just won't work. --kc_kennylau (talk) 16:56, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
      It probably has to do with the encoding that you save the python script in. You will need to find out what encoding you are saving as and declare it in the python script (see here for how to do that). --WikiTiki89 21:13, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
      Either that, or you can use unicode escape sequences like this: u'\u03BA\u03B1\u03C0\u03C0\u03B1'. --WikiTiki89 21:14, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Do not try to hardcode unicode in a python editor. Save it to a file, encode as utf-8, and decode as you open the file. DTLHS (talk) 21:18, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
I am able to save files as UTF-8, and the Python interpreter reads them without any problems. I have to put u before string literals that contain non-ASCII characters, though. —CodeCat 22:01, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Oh my God, I checked the console encoding by chcp, found it's cp950, then used .encode('cp950') and it worked so beautifully. --kc_kennylau (talk) 02:11, 3 February 2014 (UTC)


There is a second plural form Komposita. Best regards --Yoursmile (talk) 22:08, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

The term "ff"Edit

Why shouldn't ff be a Category:Latin abbreviations? My research on it here showed it to contain at least some Latin. Cpiral (talk) 22:45, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Is it provably ("attestably") used in running Latin text? If not, then it is a Latin-derived abbreviation used in whatever languages it is attested in. If there are a few languages, we might put it in Category:Translingual abbreviations, which is probably underused for such abbreviations. DCDuring TALK 23:13, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

irregular conjugations (de)Edit

You may wish to work in here. --kc_kennylau (talk) 05:54, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

On the comparability of geäußertEdit

Hi, I see you removed the comparative/superlative forms of geäußert. While they are excruciatingly rare, I added them because of things like "der Ursprung wird geäußerter als vorher, macht sich objektiver im Draußen, als geglückteres Draußen, geltend". However, that's all I can find for the comparative, and I can't find the superlative at all, so I guess neither form is attested enough to meet CFI. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 20:13, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

  • The superlative just looked wrong to me. Feel free to reinstate them if you think it best. SemperBlotto (talk) 22:11, 5 February 2014 (UTC) p.s. I did look in Duden and the German Wiktionary first.
    • No, better safe than sorry. I guess a single instance of the comparative and none of the superlative isn't really enough to call it comparable. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 10:32, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

cosmic microwave backgroundEdit

Surely this is includable, unless it's merely a microwave background which is cosmic in nature. 14:01, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


Let's discuss why you felt that my edit to annulled needed reversion. Thanks! Technical 13 (talk) 20:46, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Many words that end in "ed" are not adjectives, though some are. A true adjective can be distinguished from a past participle by criteria set out at WT:English adjectives. DCDuring TALK 22:00, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Questionable rollback on axonotmesisEdit

I added both the technical definition and a colloquial definition to the page axonotmesis. You excised my colloquial definition, (perhaps for my liberal use of the wiki formatting?), but I attest that the rollback is in err. A 'nerve crush injury' is a common term in the med-physio literature as an synonym for axonotmesis. I will add it back as a second definition with the proper wiki formatting, please let me know if you have any problems with this.Russot1 (talk) 07:59, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

A help for it.wiktionaryEdit

Hi SemperBlotto, I write from the italian wiktionary. We were wondering (here) if you could share the files of the italian conjugated verbs and nouns you used to run SemperBlottoBot; we would use them to create an italian version of the bot (following your codes, and of course crediting you as the author). It would be great if you could help us with this, we are so few on the italian project... thanks for your attention, buona giornata! :) --Barbaking (talk) 10:14, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Hi there. I have created "Utente:Barbaking/it-are" on the Italian Wiktionary. As you can see, the format of entries on our two Wiktionaries is very different. You need to make massive edits to that file. If you want more, let me know and I'll send you the most useful ones. SemperBlotto (talk) 10:34, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very very much! We'll start to work on that list, I'll let you informed. Thanks again, bye :) --Barbaking (talk) 11:15, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Sorry if I bother you again so soon, but I have two questions. First, do you think I have to manually compile an imput text file such as "it.txt" (mentioned here), or can I download it from somewhere? And second: if I understand correctly, in the list I have not to modify the "template:-start-" and "template:-stop-" at the end of each section, because they're only part of the template's command codes, am I right? (i.e. I have to make modifications like this to arrange the format?) I hope I'm not abusing of your patience, it's the first time I work on something as complex as this bot. Goodbye, --Barbaking (talk) 14:21, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
The file it.txt can start as an empty file on your PC. You then copy the contents of it-are (or similar) file into it.txt, change all occurrences of ? to the stem of the verb (e.g. ? => parl, for parlare) and save it (it.txt). You then run the bot program that reads the current version of it.txt and generates the verb forms. Good luck. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:34, 11 February 2014 (UTC) p.s. The changes you made are exactly the sort that you need to make. Don't change the -start-, -stop- or <<<...>>> entries - they are used by the bot program to locate the beginning and end of each verb form, and to find its name.
Good, thank you again, you're very kind! We'll make an attempt soon :) --Barbaking (talk) 15:52, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I just wanted to let you know that we made it! Following your instructions we created it:User:Barbabot, and it is now running (in the last week it added something like 10k new articles of verb forms...). Thank you again for your precious help from the whole italian community, you really helped us! :) Have a nice day, --Barbaking (talk) 18:30, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

The page referred to "lager" being conjugated forms of the German verb "lagern". That is wrong, There is only a noun "das Lager", but it is written with a capital L.Edit

I know the Duden, and I had checked, there is no conjugated form "lager" of lagern. —This unsigned comment was added by Abanagka (talkcontribs).

  • So how would you modify our conjugation table (of lagern)? SemperBlotto (talk) 17:30, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Reverted edits to WT:AnodyneEdit

Hi Jeff, thanks for properly reverting my stub-level edit to this wt entry, restoring Widsith's 27 Feb 2013 version (with language-translation mods by Mewbot and Rukhabot). An explanation might be in order: I was led to WT page via my QuikWiki context link from a WP entry. The page existed, but had no visible content except for its [was wotd] tag and the "ENGLISH" header, with a diacritical mark I did not then recognize as the English content section's SHOW/HIDE button. Comparing it to the WT:anodyne entry I could access more directly (, I noted the full English dictionary content (with ENGLISH section header, but no Show/Hide button, since translation info on this WT page is appropriately moved to separate links near each of the six listed meanings.) Finding my entry quickly reverted led me to look again. Still not so clear why the format of pages on is different, with its top-level invitation to search the meaning in other languages. But again, thank you. bookerj 13 Feb 2014

I didn't know the language sections collapsed in mobile view, either. It does seem like it might be useful as an option for normal viewers too, maybe as an alternative for tabbed languages if people don't like it. —CodeCat 17:34, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Request for editing protected pagesEdit

Please see Wiktionary:Beer_parlour/2014/February#Request_edit_for_Module:labels.2Fdata. --kc_kennylau (talk) 09:28, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


Hi Jeff,

Regarding this edit, Ossining is the name of a town and village in Westchester County, New York. Please see:

I wish you did some research before reverting edits, or you'd have learned this on your own. Caio -- (talk) 23:00, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

I've restored the village definition, based on WP and my personal knowledge of this town and village, some 22 miles from where I live. DCDuring TALK 23:31, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, DCDuring. -- (talk) 23:44, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
So, are you saying that Ossining is both a town and a village in Westchester county, and that both are the site of Sing Sing prison? SemperBlotto (talk) 08:08, 19 February 2014 (UTC) @DCDuring: @CodeCat:
Yes, and the village is located in the town. The village is half of the town. If you live in the village, you also live in the town (but not necessarily vice versa). —Stephen (Talk) 08:18, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
I'll see if I can edit the entry to that effect (and hopefully not get blocked). SemperBlotto (talk) 08:23, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
The reversion of my reversion seemed gratuitous. I hadn't seen CodeCat's self-reversion, though I thought I had looked in user contributions. But IMO now I've more than repaid my debt to society, even with the grant of clemency (much appreciated).
Anyway, the entry looks better than ever, with a real, documented etymology yet. DCDuring TALK 22:35, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Wiktionary HefeiEdit

Hi Jeff,

Why did you reverted the changed done for Hefei Urdu Information added.

--Tahir mq (talk) 09:56, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

  • You added an Interwiki link to a word in another Wiktionary that had a different spelling (even in a different script). Perhaps you meant to add a translation? SemperBlotto (talk) 09:59, 20 February 2014 (UTC)


Congratulations for achieving "a phenomenal score"! --kc_kennylau (talk) 14:30, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Darn, I thought I had milked that Z pretty well. Equinox 16:05, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
I'm going to try for three bonuses in a row (with no strange language surnames). SemperBlotto (talk) 16:08, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Request edit for Module:labels/dataEdit

Please express your view in here. --kc_kennylau (talk) 16:23, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

  • I have no view. SemperBlotto (talk) 16:25, 21 February 2014 (UTC)


You removed genderfuck, from a list of related terms such as genderqueer and others, this is a legitimate term in queer studies and is a gender identity that many people use. —This unsigned comment was added by Cuttingrumrill (talkcontribs).

I presume it was removed simply due to the fact that Semper is this project's most active edit-patroller, there is a never-ending stream of edits to patrol, genderfuck is not a very well-known word, and so at first glance it just looks like someone added a made-up swearword, lol. Even on second glance, the semantic connection is not as direct as the semantic connection between bigender and the other words present in the list; however, genderfuck is a valid, related word, so I've added it back.
(On a technical note, rather than repeat subtly different lists of "related terms" on all the various gender-related words, I should probably make a {{list}} to transclude...)
Cheers to both of you,- -sche (discuss) 17:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)


Thanks again for adding "eigengene" to Wiktionary! The suggested reference to "eigengene" that is earlier than 1999, however, is not a reference to the English word "eigengene," but rather it is a German phrase in a German text on plant breeding, using the German phrase "self-gene" to mean a wild-type gene in the wild-type plant. Thanks also for the "eigenface" definition. Allow me to suggest adding "eigenface" to the Category:English_words_prefixed_with_eigen-. Orly.alter (talk) 17:55, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Done. I would have thought that the German word Eigengene means "distinct", or maybe even "distinctive" "gene". I won't add it without more evidence. SemperBlotto (talk) 17:59, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks! Thanks also for your guidance throughout Wiktionary. Orly.alter (talk) 21:15, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

rollback on "hice"Edit

Nonstandard plurals are accepted on wiktionary in other instances. Both "boxen" and "meese" are entries in wiktionary. —This unsigned comment was added by (talk).

Firstly, your entry is poorly formatted. See WT:ELE for the formatting and arrows for an example. Secondly, it has to be attested. See WT:CFI for this. Both "boxen" and "meese" are attested. At least you have to support it with a source. --kc_kennylau (talk) 14:45, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


Added some pages to Category:German verbs having red links in their conjugation table, please change your code accordingly. --kc_kennylau (talk) 14:05, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

moon rocketEdit

This page was deleted by you in 2011, but I wonder whether it's a populist term. I only ask because I found an entry for "månerakett" in the Norwegian Wiktionary; I entered a translation with a note saying it doesn't appear in the English Wiktionary. Donnanz (talk) 11:20, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Now added again (the first sense might get deleted as "sum of parts"). SemperBlotto (talk) 11:26, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks, brilliant. I have added the Norwegian translation (popular enough in Norway); I think there's a Finnish entry (kuuraketti) which could be added. I think it's more of a populist than scientific term though, perhaps a quote or two could be found and added. By the way, how can you find what was in the original entry? Donnanz (talk) 11:49, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
    • Original:- ==English== A '''moon rocket''' is a space launch vehicle designed to launch payloads to Earth's Moon. ===Noun=== {{en-noun}} # {{substub}} SemperBlotto (talk) 11:53, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
      • OK, cheers. I wasn't aware of the financial sense. Donnanz (talk) 12:03, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Latin projectEdit

You may wish to work on [[Category:Latin nouns having red links in their declension table]] and [[Category:Latin adjectives having red links in their declension table]]. --kc_kennylau (talk) 12:47, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

  • @Kc kennylau: Why is adelphis (just as an example) in this category? SemperBlotto (talk) 08:31, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
    • There are also User pages, talk pages and even templates here. Could they be removed? SemperBlotto (talk) 09:33, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Adjectives done (for now). Nouns to follow. SemperBlotto (talk) 10:46, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Most nouns done (just a few tricky ones left). SemperBlotto (talk) 19:52, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Error by SemperBlottoBotEdit

As the declension table at Cinna indicates, Cinna has no plural forms, because it's a cognomen. But when SemperBlottoBot created Cinna's inflected forms today, it created plural as well as singular forms: Cinnas, Cinnarum, Cinnis. —Mr. Granger (talkcontribs) 14:07, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

  • Yes. It's ignoring "num=". I am in the process of fixing it. SemperBlotto (talk) 14:14, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


Why did you remove lulz from the See Also section of the epicaricacy page? As far as I can see, it has a similar meaning and is appropriate for the see also section. It would be nice if you would provide an explanation instead of giving the automated rollback message. Q6637p (talk) 11:41, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

  • Ah, I wasn't aware of the "schadenfreude" meaning of "lulz". I'll revert my change. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:47, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Just expressing my view hereEdit

Doesn't it annoy you that the rules of WT:ACCEL is locked? --kc_kennylau (talk) 13:10, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Possible bot errors?Edit

Are these forms in error? --Back on the list (talk) 14:48, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

  • All wrong. Deleted. suavior is the correct Latin verb. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:35, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


This is an error. Please fix your robot. —This unsigned comment was added by Reub2000 (talkcontribs).

  • Looks OK to me. And I am not a robot. SemperBlotto (talk) 09:38, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Current revision looks ok. But the revision to which you reverted the page had serious errors. Reub2000 (talk) 02:16, 6 March 2014 (UTC) (talk)Edit

Why did you block him? I admit that I haven't looked at all of his contributions, but I can't find vandalism... --kc_kennylau (talk) 11:39, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

  • You can't see his edits to my talk page - they have been hidden. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:51, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Stop revert warringEdit

Please explain your deletion of the link in equicrescent instead of silently revert warring. I've explained my change and even included an example of usage. 15:49, 8 March 2014 (UTC)


Ich habe gesucht im Duden, der mir gesagt hat, dass der Genitiv des Nachtrags kann "Nachtrages" sein. --kc_kennylau (talk) 00:01, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

  • All talk pages should be in English. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:52, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Sehe User talk:Vahagn Petrosyan#Этимология прилагательного ցամաք für ein Beispiel. Bitte nicht verallgemeinere, denn es ist nur du, wer uns will sprechen Englisch auf deiner Diskussionsseite. Dafür, ich dir stimme nicht zu, dass alle Diskussionsseiten söllen in Englisch sein. Aber, wenn du willst, dass ich spreche Englisch auf deiner Diskussionsseite, I'll speak in English. --kc_kennylau (talk) 09:32, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Talk pages should be visible to, and understood by all members of the Wiki community. That means (in my opinion) that they should always be in English. Talk in other languages is likely to be ignored (at least by me). SemperBlotto (talk) 09:40, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

User page deletionEdit

Hi~ My user page was deleted (deletion log).

I apologize for not making an appropriate user page before making edits to the dictionary, but is it possible to undelete it if I try to make some Wiktionary edits and also if I add more detail to the user page regarding how I plan to contribute to the project?

I have a hard time finding my way around any of the Wikimedia sites, and I thought a user page directing others to where they might best reach me regarding any of the Wiki projects might help. So, I didn't put anything except link to my main user page.

I read Wiktionary:Usernames_and_user_pages#User_pages, and also now noticed there is also an additional requirement displayed when creating a user page:

"User pages of accounts that do not contribute to the dictionary proper may be deleted after an unspecified period."

I'm especially worried about the "may be deleted after an unspecified period" part, as my current situation will likely mean my edits will be far between. However, I do think my edits will be appropriate over time. As an example, my Wikipedia contributions will probably be similar to my edits for the dictionary, just not as often. If I also state that my edits will be this way, will it help to avoid deletion?

I didn't expect Wiktionary to have different policies than Wikipedia besides article stuff (and I'm still confused about it). Sorry about my ignorance of that.

Also, if this is the wrong place to talk about any of this stuff, can you help me to know where I should go?

Thank you and have a great day~:) ZeniffMartineau (talk) 23:23, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I restored your user page. SemperBlotto is sometimes a little too trigger happy. --WikiTiki89 23:30, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Wow, that was fast! :-O Thank you very much! I'm just not used to how stuff works around here yet, and it helped me to read the rules, which I should've done sooner. :) And sorry about the big blob of confused newbie text^^;; ZeniffMartineau (talk) 00:06, 11 March 2014 (UTC)


Just curious as to your reasoning for rolling back my added def'n of cosmopolitan, which simply more accurately reflects its Greek root and is starting to be used in some academic circles to refer more broadly to engagement in extraplanetary endeavours...Thanks. —This unsigned comment was added by (talk).

  • Firstly, you didn't make any changes to Cosmopilitan; however, Ljeth (talkcontribs) made an addition to cosmopolitan that, as well as being tosh, had bad grammar. The addition was made to the adjective sense, but the so-called definition ("quality ...") was a noun. SemperBlotto (talk) 21:55, 21 March 2014 (UTC)


I did some edits to clear up the confusions between "Persian" the people, and other usages this term has. I did not get your reasoning behind simply reverting my edits. 11:23, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

  • You made a real mess of the formatting. I couldn't tell what you were actually trying to do. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:25, 23 March 2014 (UTC)


I think that this term is not a sum of parts for it often is used in writing to describe South Asia, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan, Maldives, Sri Lanka and sometimes Burma, and Afghanistan or parts of China, this is irrespective of the plate tectonics. The continent itself is referred to asIndian-subcontinent even when we are talking about a history lesson when it was attached to Antarctica and Australia, when it was standalone and now fused into Asia and in the future, so how should i spell it? I believe these understandings of what it means are far different from "a semi continent + adj. India) IMHO, what do you think?


The plural no longer defaults to -s (it now uses Module:pt-plural), and genders containing the character p will display no plural. — Ungoliant (falai) 14:19, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

  • OK. I'll see what I have to do to stop the bot adding rubbish. SemperBlotto (talk) 14:38, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
    • You didn’t do it. — Ungoliant (falai) 18:19, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
      • You'll need to tell me more than that. SemperBlotto (talk) 18:46, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
        • You didn’t update your bot. It is still assuming that {{pt-noun}} defaults to -s. — Ungoliant (falai) 19:26, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
          • Just one example of an incorrect plural. Is that too much to ask? SemperBlotto (talk) 21:24, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
fazedors, faroêss, falsificaçãos, factótums, facilitadors, extrusãos, exultaçãos, extorsãos, extirpaçãos, expectoraçãos, exclamaçãos, exaustors, eudicotiledôneass, estupradors, estudos sociaiss, estudos de traduçãos, estripadors, estols, estimulaçãos, estendals, estandardizaçãos, esqualidezs, espreitadors, esponsaiss, esplims, esmerils, escrituraçãos, escorregadors, escorredors, escols, erudiçãos, equitaçãos, equipagems, enxovals, enviadors, enunciaçãos, entonaçãos, enganaçãos, enganadors, enforcadors, emuladors, emprestadors, empregadors, embraiagems, embaixatrizs, eletrificaçãos, eleitors, eglefims, edredoms, editals, cócorass, cânabiss, cutucadors, customizaçãos, cuscuzs, cultuaçãos, cultivaçãos, crucificaçãos, criticadors, cremaçãos, covils, costeletass, corroboraçãos, corretors, correiçãos, coroaçãos, cordas vocaiss, coquetels, coordenadas polaress, contravençãos, contrafaçãos, contemplaçãosUngoliant (falai) 21:29, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
            • One would have been enough. I have modified the bot such that, if no plural is specified (either by positional or keyword parameters), then no plural is generated. You might like to update the template's documentation to specify that there is no default, and maybe even modify the module to generate an error in such cases. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:49, 10 April 2014 (UTC)


Its automatic form detection doesn’t work for highly irregular forms. It’s only guaranteed to work for forms whose lemma has any of the following second parameter: ar, er, ir, car, gar, guer, guir, quir, ear, air, uir, çar, cer, cir, ger, gir. — Ungoliant (falai) 00:09, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

-oar is doable. — Ungoliant (falai) 15:24, 11 April 2014 (UTC)


Hi SB. I think *coronym is a (pretty rare) misspelling of choronym (from the Ancient Greek roots χώρᾱ (khṓrā) or χῶρος (khôros) + ὄνῠμᾰ (ónuma)). Do you mind if I correct it in the WT:WE queue? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 15:19, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

  • You should always correct or improve my attempts at definitions/translations if you can. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:21, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
OK; done. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't stepping on your toes. Thanks. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 15:30, 1 April 2014 (UTC)


I'm watching the Davis Cup in Naples. What are the words for deuce and advantage? Deuce seems to be ugualità (cf. French égalité) and advantage seems to be avvantaggio. Renard Migrant (talk) 11:14, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

  • I think deuce is either "quaranta pari" or they use the English term. Advantage is definitely vantaggio in Tennis.

Cheers. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:30, 6 April 2014 (UTC) p.s. This is from :- "Se i giocatori arrivano alla pari a 40 vincerà il gioco chi guadagnerà consecutivamente due punti (vantaggi) più dell'avversario." SemperBlotto (talk) 17:06, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

requests for reviewingEdit

all'arma bianca corpo a corpo

Salve. Would you mind checking these pages? They don’t look quite right to me, but I do not know enough Italian to be certain. --Æ&Œ (talk) 06:51, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

  • Salut. Acum este în regulă, OK! Mersi BAICAN XXX (talk) 08:21, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Fixed. SemperBlotto (talk) 16:00, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Major mistake by SemperBlottoBotEdit

I just discovered that SemperBlottoBot made an error when creating scelerans, which was propagated when it created sceleransi, sceleransem, etc. I'm correcting the error, but I worry how many other entries the bot may have made with the same problem... —Mr. Granger (talkcontribs) 21:06, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

    • It looks like {{la-decl-3rd-part}} was changed and nobody told me. SemperBlotto (talk) 21:15, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
      • Actually, I was told last year, modified nouns and adjectives - forgot about participles. I'll have a look tomorrow. SemperBlotto (talk) 21:27, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
        • Could you add a notice to the documentation page, like you did with the other templates? —CodeCat 21:34, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Also, something's wrong in the Etymology section for operaturus. —Mr. Granger (talkcontribs) 21:14, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
        • OK. By the way, Mewbot has corrected many of the entries that use {{la-decl-3rd-part}}, but not all. Could it have another go please. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:24, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Revert on microphageEdit

Hello, I see you reverted my edit on microphage. If you don’t believe the word is being used with this meaning, I can guarantee that I have heard and read it. However, seems to be a loanword from the French, so it is probably not acceptable here. Eiku (t) 09:26, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

  • The example you quote uses the term in quotation marks. That normally means it is a foreign word, or one that is being invented. We accept foreign words - feel free to add it if you can provide some evidence in the language concerned. SemperBlotto (talk) 09:40, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
    I think I will rather wait and see: if I manage to graduate in interpretation, there will be more occasions for me to hear and read this word and if I do, I can then put the meaning back with more confidence. Eiku (t) 12:15, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
    • p.s. I see that French Wiktionary has your meaning. SemperBlotto (talk) 09:42, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
      As for this, it is regrettably not a proof that the word is used (I am the one who added the meaning there too). Thank you for your answer! Eiku (t) 12:15, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Revert on railroadingEdit

The term is well used in many books about role playing games. I can find some instances of this being the case if you would like? Its a niche term, but I think it is appropriate to include. Zellfaze (talk) 17:50, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Usage Examples:

I also have it being used in a non-D&D context as well, these two places use it in a Shadowrun context:

Again, like I said, I have books that use the term as well. Zellfaze (talk) 18:00, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Though one could rightly argue that the definition I included could be improved. Zellfaze (talk) 18:18, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
  • I have added your meaning to the verb railroad (where all the other meanings are). SemperBlotto (talk) 18:51, 16 April 2014 (UTC)


policy clearly states " We try to make the entries as unbiased as we can, meaning that definitions or descriptions — even of controversial topics — are not meant to be platforms for preaching of any kind."

The quotation I removed conveyed a message about a politician who is perhaps a controversial figure. The definition of envelope is perfectly clear and the quote added nothing to assisting understanding of usage. So whether or not the editor intended to convey a political message, he nevertheless did so and thus breeched policy.

Kindly revert your reversion of my edit. —This unsigned comment was added by (talk).

  • No thanks. The policy, as you state, is we try ...
  • Feel free to replace the citation with a better one, but do not simply remove it. SemperBlotto (talk) 10:02, 21 April 2014 (UTC)


Mongoloid:, It's offensive word meaning Down's syndrome. —This unsigned comment was added by Batka83 (talkcontribs) at 03:57, 24 April 2014‎ (UTC).

About blockingEdit

Is there any policy regarding blocking? --kc_kennylau (talk) 09:19, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

yes. --WikiTiki89 09:23, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Category:Latin verbs having red links in their conjugation tableEdit

I have created this category which you may want to work on. --kc_kennylau (talk) 14:21, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

  • No. I don't do Latin any more - I make too many mistakes, and can't remember how the Python programs work. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:10, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

yak shaving rollbackEdit

Hi there! I just noticed you rolled back my edit. Why did you do that? Srezz (talk) 15:07, 24 April 2014 (UTC)


It says UK and when hovering over it, it says "British English". "Soccer" is not British English. Also the other isn't the correct name of the league, that's why the article isn't titled that way. —This unsigned comment was added by (talk).

  • By specifying a label of "Football" instead of "football", you remove the entry from the category Category:en:Football (Soccer). I don't like the way that the label "football" is made a synonym of "soccer". That wasn't my decision. Take it up at the Beer parlour. SemperBlotto (talk) 16:58, 27 April 2014 (UTC)


Couldn't you just adjust the citation so that it fits your standards instead of rudely deleting the entire page altogether? 17:48, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

  • No. Far too much work. SemperBlotto (talk) 21:42, 27 April 2014 (UTC)


I think I'm more or less done with my changes. I hope that the module isn't too confusing to you now, but I'll explain things if anything is unclear. The parameters have not changed at all, so if your bot only relies on the parameters, then everything should be more or less the same. Right now, all the "output" data is first collected into a large table called "data", which has two main subtables, "data.forms" (contains the inflections themselves) and "data.categories" (not used yet, but you can add category names to this so that the inflection tables categorise entries). The data.forms table has subindexes like data.forms.pres_indc_1sg, and likewise for each form that can appear in the table. Each of those form-subindexes is a table (list) rather than a single form, so that you can specify multiple alternative forms when necessary. The original module you wrote already did this, I just streamlined it a bit so that it's hopefully easier to maintain and extend in the future.

Some things could be simplified further. For example, right now, there are separate inflection types for reflexive verbs, but it's actually fairly easy to make it so that you just tell the module that the verb is reflexive, and it modifies the forms accordingly. For example, replacing -(r)re in the infinitive with -rsi is a predictable change, and it's the same regardless of what the inflection type is. I've also renamed all the "internal" names for the forms, using a system of names that I've also used in other modules like Module:la-verb. There are pres_indc_1sg and so on, replacing your original pres1s. I kept your original names as the parameters (the ones you use to override the default forms) for backwards compatibility, so that existing entries would not break. For simplicity it might be good to rename those parameters so that they match the names that are used inside the module, but that's up to you (it would mean reconfiguring your bot to use the new names, and changing existing entries).

It would be easy to fulfill your original request now, categorising any entry that uses one of the override parameters. I haven't done that yet, though, because I have a few questions. I noticed that it's also possible to override the reflexive pronouns with parameters like mi=, ti= and so on. What would those be used for, and are they actually necessary? And if they are overridden, should the verb be considered irregular? Secondly, it's apparently possible to specify no inflection type at all. What is that used for, and does it affect irregular-ness? —CodeCat 00:50, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

  • Hi there. I shall have to reply to this at length later. But, at first, I can see that the display of the auxiliary verb is broken is cases such as andare or scomporre. @CodeCat: SemperBlotto (talk) 07:42, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
    • p.s. This happens when the auxiliary verb is the last thing specified on a line, and is not immediately followed by a "|" on the same line. (Moving a "|" back from the next line corrects the problem) Strange. SemperBlotto (talk) 08:17, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
    • p.p.s. I have tested the following types of verb:-
      • Regular -are, -ere and both sorts of -ire - OK
      • Regular reflexive -arsi, -ersi and both sorts of -irsi - OK
      • Pronomial e.g. andarsene, farcela - OK
      • Impersonal e.g. piovere - OK
      • Irregular (i.e. as above with overrides) - Small Fail - accendere (as an example) has superfluous commas when prem3s2 (etc) is nullified. @CodeCat: SemperBlotto (talk) 08:35, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
      • The problem with the newlines probably happened even with the old module. The software doesn't remove whitespace at the beginning and end of a positional parameter, it only removes it in parameters with =. So it includes the newline in the code in the actual parameter value as well, which breaks things. I've added a workaround to that in the module, but I don't know if there is a better solution.
      • The problem with accendere, that I can see, is that you're passing '' as the parameter. The module (probably correctly) thinks that you meant to specify that as the actual form, so it displays multiple forms separated by commas. Except that the second form doesn't actually represent anything in wikitext, it's just spurious "italic" markup. I suppose you used that in the past because the module had no way of saying, using an override, that you wanted a form to disappear entirely. Something like prem3s2=- might be good as a replacement, but we'd have to find and fix the entries where you used this workaround. —CodeCat 12:25, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
  • OK, I am happy with the module as in its current form. I don't want to make any changes to parameter names thank you. The reflexive pronouns are overriden in the case of verbs such as farcela (I don't know what they are called - some sort of pronominal verb). I have been thinking about irregularity in Italian verbs - it is a matter of degree. Some are totally regular except that they have an irregular past participle. Some are quite irregular, typically having different forms of the passato remoto. Others are extremely irregular - essere is probably irregular in every tense. Some verbs are impersonal and only exist in the third person singular (e.g. piovere) (p.s. This is an example of a case where no inflection type is specified). Others lack past participles and the associated tenses. I'm not really sure how useful it would be to classify all these as simply "irregular". Thinking ..... SemperBlotto (talk) 10:58, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
    • p.s. I like the idea of using a hyphen (instead of a pair of single quotes) to nullify a parameter. I wonder how difficult it would be to change all the existing usages. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:04, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
      • I've made some changes so that it recognises both the quotes and the hyphen as meaning "remove this parameter". If you use the quotes, it adds the page to Category:it-conj with quotes in override. So you can find and fix them that way. It will take a while for that category to fill, so you may want to check occasionally over the coming months. Once you think you've fixed them all, let me know and I'll remove the tracking. —CodeCat 12:28, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Automation of German verb conjugationEdit

See finden, abfließen, winden‎, abfinden, grüßen, begrüßen‎, arbeiten‎ for examples. Please express your view if you have any. Should you agree to this automation, please use your bot to help the automation. --kc_kennylau (talk) 07:15, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

  • It would help if there was documentation for the new template/module. Then I wouldn't have to crawl through the module code. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:22, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
    I have created a basic documentation. Feel free to expand it.

Why are you removing contributions on common Estonian words?Edit

  • Why are you removing contributions on common Estonian words?Benwikilogin (talk) 13:30, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
    • Because of the dreadful formatting that, in most cases, I couldn't be bothered to fix. SemperBlotto (talk) 13:34, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Suggestions on formatting much appreciated! Please also add comments to explain deletions

Common Estonian words can be found here:

Me and Semper have fixed some of your edits instead of deleting them. You can look at the history page of those entries to see what we changed. —CodeCat 13:48, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

I have had reading a scholar-reading full of chilean-usage words

includying morral, pioneta 2nd meaning, and rocillo --Penarc (talk) 17:04, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Can you restore the citationsEdit

for the word düşerge? I may change them according to the citations of hydrogene. -- —This unsigned comment was added by 2001:a98:c060:80:5c72:a2:7284:c8c5 (talk).

Speedy deleteEdit

Please delete eslibroj, dkampoj and ksoidoj. --kc_kennylau (talk) 11:12, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
As well as ptuloj. Sorry for the inconvenience caused. --kc_kennylau (talk) 11:16, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
As well as Template:compasses-eoj, Template:compasses-eon, Template:compasses-eojn, aluminia oksidoj and aluminia oksidojn. --kc_kennylau (talk) 12:52, 8 May 2014 (UTC)


Hello, I was perplexed when you reverted my edit busses through deletion of ((archaic) kisses). In your note, you wrote "If you think this rollback is in error, please leave a message on my talk page" and so I am not clear why the rolback if you were (apparently) unsure. If you refer to buss#English, the primary noun is "kiss" (secondary is ...Dutch fishing boat...) and verb is "to kiss" ... so I think that the edit I made on April 15 is sound. If you have another view, please elaborate. I was about to roll-back, but perhaps it is best we try to understand more clearly (admittedly, I am not a scholar of old English, but I am familiar with the usage of "Busses" as a euphemism in modern English for kisses and aware of its old English roots, but am not an etymologist).

Falstaff. Thou dost give me flattering busses. {King Henry IV [part 2]} [2]

Also, see: Meanings: Buses, Busses. Note also, "kisses" is "besos" in Spanish; "baci(o)" in Italian; "beijos" in Portugese; "baisers" in French; "basiatio" in Latin; and so on.
Enquire (talk) 07:47, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

@Enquire: He reverted your edit because the definition is to be added to the singular form, which has already be done by I-don't-know-who. --kc_kennylau (talk) 07:55, 10 May 2014 (UTC)


You recently added the meaning "Sparta" (Greek city) to the German word Sparte. I have never ever heard this; the normal word is Sparta as in English. If you have a citation for this (it would then have to be a rather old one), please add it to the citations page. I'm deleting this sense now. If you find the citation, do put it back on of course. But label it "archaic" or "obsolete". Best regards!Kolmiel (talk) 18:56, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see that you added a link to a wikipedia entry. So it seems that Sparte is the name of a particular woman in Greek mythology from whom the city Sparta got its name. The wiktionary entry for Sparta doesn't mention this woman, and there's none for Sparte. I take it that she's of lesser importance... So I'm still deleting the proper noun. If you disagree, you can of course revert this. But in this case, please explain that it's a personal name, not that of the city.Kolmiel (talk) 19:06, 11 May 2014 (UTC)


Dude, why r my entires being deleted as inventions? I'm getting them straight from Wikipedia. (And frankly I'm a little surprised u guys didn't already have these entries before I got here). What gives?!?

  • We don't accept Wikipedia as a reliable source. Can you find actual usages from, as an example, Google book search? SemperBlotto (talk) 06:17, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Well, for Rayo's number, Wikipedia linked to this for the definition, and there're a few other sources such as this one that also mention it (also used as a Wikipedia citation). Given that that number appears to be rather new, it's not surprising that nobody's heard of it by now, but I assumed that a little media coverage was enough for inclusion. As for goggolplexplex and right-wing socialism, Wikipedia gives a few book citations. Any thoughts? 06:28, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Update: Yeah, here we go: this appears to be another book that mentions googolplexplex (looks like it's in German, but it's the top result on google books search). Might this be acceptable? 06:48, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

I think googolplexplex would pass based on Usenet newsgroups. Equinox 13:00, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Conjugation of rosseggiareEdit

Hi SemperBlotto, I've noticed an error in the conjugation of "rosseggiare": as it ends in "-giare", and as stated here, I think it should follow the "-ciare" conjugation, as in the following template:

therefore, conditional and future forms shouldn't have the "i": rosseggerò, and not "rosseggierò". Apart from that, greetings and thanks again for your help with the inflection-bot on the italian wiktionary months ago; have a nice day! :) --Barbaking (talk) 08:59, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

... the same for sfrangiare --Barbaking (talk) 17:28, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Quite correct - fixed. SemperBlotto (talk) 18:04, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Update on {{it-adj}} usageEdit

See [3]. --kc_kennylau (talk) 17:01, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Sticky-backed plasticEdit

Sticky-backed plastic was a term invented on the BBC television children's magazine programme "Blue Peter" because of their policy not to use commercial product names. It referred to the vinyl sheeting sold in the UK under the name "Fablon" (see

Sellotape ( is an entirely different product manufactured by Henkel (referred to on Blue Peter as "adhesive tape"). In the US the equivalent product is manufactured by 3M and is sold under the name "Scotch tape".

Nicholas Aleksander


Hi there, Semper.

Does Große actually mean what it says it means? Every instance of it I find in dictionaries says it's a substantivized form of "groß" and means something like "young man/woman". The word Größe (with the umlauts) also exists with similar meanings. --334a (talk) 17:39, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

  • Not sure. You need to speak to someone who is greater than de-1. German Wiktionary says (as far as my limited German goes) that it means large girls; or firstborn; or a title of some sort. Hmm.SemperBlotto (talk) 15:04, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, none of the three senses actually is correct. As a substantivized form of the adjective "groß" it means something along the lines of "big one". Longtrend (talk) 10:54, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Major bot mistakeEdit

Please do not create disconvenior for disconvenio. --kc_kennylau (talk) 06:49, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

When you have a minuteEdit

Not sure where to go about this, but a user named Dan Polansky has apparently developed both a misunderstanding about copyright law (both in general and particularly the 1st edition OED’s status under it) and a hard-on for my more recent entries. Certainly this edit was uncalled for (as displayed by Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV's swift reversion of it). Probably, he just needs hand-holding and double-checking.

In the meantime, if there have been mistakes of mine at that entry or others, I'd rather hear it from you than this guy. Thanks. — LlywelynII 16:08, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

As to his understanding (and my rationale w/r/t content from the OED), see my talk page here. — LlywelynII 16:11, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Semper seems to be gone for a longer while. I think this sort of dispute is best served by the WT:Tea room. Keφr 16:17, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. — LlywelynII 17:05, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

wrong revertEdit

Hi. I added a interwiki in Syphilis but you removed it. please add it again because it is a correct interwiki.Gire 3pich2005 (talk) 14:31, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

User:Gire 3pich2005: no, it was wrong. Interwikis are not translations. You even got a warning message about it. Keφr 14:39, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of my user pageEdit

Hi SemperBlotto,

Why have you deleted my user page ?

Thanks --Jean-Louis (talk) 03:04, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi. This is probably because your page was a link to another site (promotional), and you had done little or no work on Wiktionary. It isn't a social network. Equinox 03:08, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi Equinox.
Thanks for your prompt reply. I have checked my contributions. I see nothing wrong. To my knowledge, everything is clean.
I am a good regular contributor to french Wiktionnaire and I know very well it is not a social network and the rules of the game
So, can I get back my user page without the risk to be bloqued ?
Thanks you in advance --Jean-Louis (talk) 23:09, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
@Jean-Louis Swiners: Do you remember what was on your userpage? --kc_kennylau (talk) 12:49, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
No need to memorise that. In the deleted revision, it was one sentence: "I am French. Living in Paris." and an external link. Hardly informative. Keφr 14:33, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
@Jean-Louis Swiners: There is nothing "wrong" with your contributions; you just don't have very many (four, to be exact, one of which is just adding an interwiki, which a bot would have done). As for the content of your user page, you should not link to external websites without good reason, otherwise it is seen as advertising. An example of a good external link, is a link to a language resource that can help editors. --WikiTiki89 15:43, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi Wikitiki, I am very stupid. I just try to open an article for Branduct, translation of the french branduit. I can't get it. Could you help me ? Thanks. --Jean-Louis (talk) 15:49, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
I have added an entry for the French word branduit - I don't think that there is yet an English term for this concept. The word branduct has been proposed, but it hasn't caught on yet. SemperBlotto (talk) 10:11, 28 August 2014 (UTC)


The definition may need checking. See Dicentra. See also this video of the subject of taxonomic changes. DCDuring TALK 13:55, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Hmm. Difficult to be sure. The plant Dicentra spectabilis is known in Italy as "cuore di Maria", and seems to be bleeding heart. I can't find an actual definition for dicentra (uncapitalised) in any of my Italian dicionaries. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:16, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
    • And see also [4]
      I've added some images of both a current Dicentra and of the species now split. There is a difference. I noted that the online catalog entry shows the Family as Fumariaceae, which means they are using the old naming. I would expect that in the horticulture business. The USDA lags behind in renaming as well. DCDuring TALK 18:15, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
      For truly vernacular names, like bleeding heart or even geranium, it isn't so hard. For horticultural use of names that are copies of the taxonomic ones, I often spend a lot of keystrokes to make a distinction, but sometimes just refer to the taxon entry for one definition and simplify the vernacular one. Pictures sometimes help but not so much in this case. DCDuring TALK 18:22, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

To be fairEdit

That block might have been too quick. Though given how that escalated, I cannot say it was mistaken. Keφr 21:16, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


Are you aware of this mess that you have made? --kc_kennylau (talk) 02:06, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

An important message about renaming usersEdit

Dear SemperBlotto,

I am cross-posting this message to many places to make sure everyone who is a Wikimedia Foundation project bureaucrat receives a copy. If you are a bureaucrat on more than one wiki, you will receive this message on each wiki where you are a bureaucrat.

As you may have seen, work to perform the Wikimedia cluster-wide single-user login finalisation (SUL finalisation) is taking place. This may potentially effect your work as a local bureaucrat, so please read this message carefully.

Why is this happening? As currently stated at the global rename policy, a global account is a name linked to a single user across all Wikimedia wikis, with local accounts unified into a global collection. Previously, the only way to rename a unified user was to individually rename every local account. This was an extremely difficult and time-consuming task, both for stewards and for the users who had to initiate discussions with local bureaucrats (who perform local renames to date) on every wiki with available bureaucrats. The process took a very long time, since it's difficult to coordinate crosswiki renames among the projects and bureaucrats involved in individual projects.

The SUL finalisation will be taking place in stages, and one of the first stages will be to turn off Special:RenameUser locally. This needs to be done as soon as possible, on advice and input from Stewards and engineers for the project, so that no more accounts that are unified globally are broken by a local rename to usurp the global account name. Once this is done, the process of global name unification can begin. The date that has been chosen to turn off local renaming and shift over to entirely global renaming is 15 September 2014, or three weeks time from now. In place of local renames is a new tool, hosted on Meta, that allows for global renames on all wikis where the name is not registered will be deployed.

Your help is greatly needed during this process and going forward in the future if, as a bureaucrat, renaming users is something that you do or have an interest in participating in. The Wikimedia Stewards have set up, and are in charge of, a new community usergroup on Meta in order to share knowledge and work together on renaming accounts globally, called Global renamers. Stewards are in the process of creating documentation to help global renamers to get used to and learn more about global accounts and tools and Meta in general as well as the application format. As transparency is a valuable thing in our movement, the Stewards would like to have at least a brief public application period. If you are an experienced renamer as a local bureaucrat, the process of becoming a part of this group could take as little as 24 hours to complete. You, as a bureaucrat, should be able to apply for the global renamer right on Meta by the requests for global permissions page on 1 September, a week from now.

In the meantime please update your local page where users request renames to reflect this move to global renaming, and if there is a rename request and the user has edited more than one wiki with the name, please send them to the request page for a global rename.

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Hi SemperBlotto,

Your bot has created a few entries that look strange to me. Maybe you could review these? Thanks in advance.

-- Curious (talk) 18:29, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

  • The noun entries had extra spaces in the template - I'll put in a check for this. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:21, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
    Thanks! -- Curious (talk) 21:23, 30 August 2014 (UTC)


Hi SB. Could you please explain what an Si-O group is? --Type56op9 (talk) 12:37, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Presumably a group ("functional entity consisting of certain atoms...") with silicon and oxygen in it? Equinox 12:57, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes. The hyphen is used in chemistry to represent a covalent bond: In this case, a group containing silicon bonded to oxygen with a covalent bond. SemperBlotto (talk) 13:34, 11 September 2014 (UTC)


I want to change my name to Questioned sober. Do it. Pass a Method (talk) 17:40, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Small word missing. SemperBlotto (talk) 10:29, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Conjugation of assortir in FrenchEdit

Hello, it seems your bot created wrong pages for the form of the French verbs assortir. For example, assortions is wrong. The correct form is assortissions. You can find all the correct forms here (assortir#Conjugation seems also correct). Could you fix that? Thank you in advance.Pamputt (talk) 20:15, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Ah, I fixed the bot some time ago - but didn't do a very good job of cleaning up the bad entries. SemperBlotto (talk) 13:18, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


Hi there. Could you please delete Konsens(es)! I've created the correct genitive Konsenses, used (obviously) alongside unchanged Konsens. Thx!Kolmiel (talk) 18:56, 9 October 2014 (UTC)


I have changed the Spanish conjugation templates to make irregular past participles enter the stem instead. --kc_kennylau (talk) 03:15, 26 October 2014 (UTC)


I think that item would be the better word rather than object on definition 2. A combination can be made of ideas or immaterial things, not necessarily material things that can be seen or touched (object according to the OED). I think item would be the better word here (In case you're wondering, OED says An individual article or unit, especially one that is part of a list, collection, or set.) Thanks.

Rollback on WebeloEdit

I am contesting your revert of an edit by another user of Webelo. While the original edit that indicated that "Webelos" was the preferred usage, even in singular, was perhaps not as well written as it should be, I believe the editor who made that remark correct for the reasons specified in this tearoom discussion. ToddDTaft (talk) 06:50, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


Dear Jeff, Can you please explain to me why you removed (rolled back) my edit of practopoiesis? You said that I should leave you a message if I think that the rollback is in error. It seems to me that it may be in error. At least I don't know what your reason was for that. The text was certainly true: It was me (Danko Nikolic) who coined the term. The word did not exist before that. I checked. Thank you very much. Danko Nikolic —This comment was unsigned.

This was under RFV (requests for verification). I have cut it short and re-deleted the entry because (i) it seems like self-promotion, you having created the word yourself (you should use WT:LOP instead) and (ii) the given "citations" are not good enough: you can't use Weblogs for this; see WT:CFI. Equinox 22:25, 13 January 2015 (UTC)


You're of course quite right; thanks for pointing out my stupidity gently:-) JoergenB (talk) 19:21, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

bacio appassionatoEdit

Angelucci edit. This just seems to mean 'passionate kiss' and as a non-speaker, seems to have no idiomatic meaning in Italian. Though, I notice you're in the edit history so perhaps I'm wrong. Renard Migrant (talk) 23:39, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

  • I'm only in the edit history because I corrected the bad headword formatting. I think the entry only exists as a translation target. I have no objection to its deletion. SemperBlotto (talk) 09:07, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

User:Type56op9 white list?Edit

In response to his request I set the flood flag for User:Type56op9. Should I have?

I also noted that he isn't whitelisted. Should he be? I have no opinion on the matter other than wondering whether his 14K edits haven't provided enough track record for a decision — one way or the other. DCDuring TALK 17:29, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

  • I thought this was WF again, by the user's own admission. Does that have any bearing on the issue? ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 19:10, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
    Yes. WF has found me a soft touch in the past as well. DCDuring TALK 19:43, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
    He is so indefatigable that we can't really do much anyway. Mass-deleting his additions on every account would be overkill because quite a lot of them are good. Equinox 19:45, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
    In the future I will turn his requests over to someone else's tender mercies, at least until he presents under another username. DCDuring TALK 20:01, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
    Yeah, DC, I was gonna tell you that Type56 is likely WF, but it looks like others beat me to it. Purplebackpack89 21:06, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
    He's already admitted it. He usually gets bored and does this! Equinox 21:24, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
    If by this, you mean socking and requesting privileges for his socks? Purplebackpack89 22:12, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
    No, I think he actually started signing posts with "WF", and got chatty on one of the talk pages of his former personalities. Can't find it now though, and there may be better ways to use time :) Equinox 22:26, 13 January 2015 (UTC)


Ever heard of this? google books:"complexability". You need the speech marks in the search to get rid of all the hits for "complex ability". Renard Migrant (talk) 18:41, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

  • Yes. I've added a definition. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:57, 15 January 2015 (UTC)


Any idea what this "heterodifunctional" means? Would also like to remind you of User:Equinox#Individual_words_to_consider, which is where I dump words that are attestable but incomprehensible to me (making it a slightly rarefied WT:REE). Many of them are scientific, and I suppose some are chemical. Thanks. Equinox 02:01, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

  • Added. And thanks for the reminder. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:26, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Please deal with thisEdit

An error has been found here --kc_kennylau (talk) 14:10, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Also on disseco. --kc_kennylau (talk) 13:38, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Flood flagEdit

Hi SB. Any chance you could give me the flood flag for about 30 minutes? I'm going to be going through Category:Missing Spanish feminine adjectives adding some accelerated forms (not a bot!) --Type56op9 (talk) 11:43, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

  • OK WF - I'll be here for a little while. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:47, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
    • Hi there. I've got a few more flood edits to make. Any chance of flagging me again for a while? --Type56op9 (talk) 17:15, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
      • No, I'd only get bollocked. SemperBlotto (talk) 17:17, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
        • to bollock: To reprimand severely and grossly. Bollocked by whom, if I may dare to ask? --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:19, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
          • No worries, Jeff. A gentleman's agreement not to block me would suffice. --Type56op9 (talk) 17:23, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
          • I see[5], our beloved lord Mr. Kephir the Great. --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:26, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Explain rollback on "good" / the better part of (quantity)Edit

The reason isn't obvious to me. Is the meaning already covered? Or should better part be its own entry? "The better part of a month/year/etc." appears to be a recurring construction but doesn't seem to be mentioned in either good or better. It seems that it might be implied by 6.2, but it isn't apparent. 93 (talk) 19:33, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

  • I have added a definition at better part of. I have probably got the part of speech wrong (it's late). SemperBlotto (talk) 20:54, 30 January 2015 (UTC)


Hi SemperBlotto. Thanks for creating dibreve. Would you mind creating an entry for the Italian prefix di-, which you linked to in that entry, please? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 15:35, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

  • Done. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:45, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
  • p.s. tribreve also exists - but Portuguese is not one of my best languages. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:55, 3 February 2015 (UTC)


Hello. Until about twelve days ago, I also thought that initialisms, symbols, etc. were to be used. But then I was shown otherwise (see the third section). The Sackinator (talk) 01:15, 11 February 2015 (UTC)


You may want to block BlakeRoll8789 (talkcontribs) as an account connected to User:BlakeRoll87. Purplebackpack89 15:19, 13 February 2015 (UTC)


Hello. You may want to check the meaning of the word Americanata. The current definition on wiktionary is "Grandiose and extravagant behaviour considered typical of Americans", which makes it sound as a positive thing while it actually has a negative connotation, so people reading that definition would use it in a very confusing way. The actual meaning is much closer to what is expressed here: There it reads as "Italian word referring to anything that is of bad taste, vulgar (literally meaning "typically American"). There are similar words in other European languages)." It also implies exaggeration. I'm Italian, and I never heard that word used with a positive connotation.

  • To me, the current definition seems to have a negative connotation. But I have expanded it as you suggest. By the way, it is americanata (with no initial capital letter). SemperBlotto (talk) 08:36, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Module talk:pt-nounEdit

Hi SB, do you know much about Modules? I've just started to get pretty handy with templates, and now they're all being converted into damn modules! I made a suggestion at Module talk:pt-noun, which I tried to put into the actual page but I got error messages. Can you help me? --Type56op9 (talk) 16:51, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

  • When they were first introduced, yes, I understood them. But now Codecat had made most of them just to clever for me to get my head around. SemperBlotto (talk) 16:53, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
    • OK, well I'll go ahead and fiddle with them, and brace myself for when CodeCat screams at me for completely messing them up. I might do something with Italian too. --Type56op9 (talk) 17:04, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Missing entry detectionEdit

Hello—Thanks for writing! I completely understand the need for casing here, and have fixed all instances of the personal pronoun I on the page, as well as your suggestion, North York. I think the end solution will be to go back and leave the original text casing, and afterword reprocess the data. Given my schedule, this may take a bit of time. So, for now please let me know if you see any other casing issues, or if you have any other suggestions. Thanks. Jakerylandwilliams (talk) 18:53, 17 February 2015 (UTC)


I don't think firepower can be a countable noun. What usage can you think of where it could be used like that? The only definitions given on the entry are for it being the capacity or ability to do something, which would make it uncountable. Mclay1 (talk) 15:05, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

It's just an empirical question. It might have been used that way in the past, or in some region, or in a literary context. DCDuring TALK 15:26, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
What do you make of the definitions implied by this usage? DCDuring TALK 15:30, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
  • I, at first, thought there was no proper plural - but, on looking, I found several usages such as "the instantaneous firepowers of the two sides" which seems to be a use of the simple plural of firepower. The usage at "Big Four firepowers" seems to refer to states that have a powerful military - I'm not convinced that that is a correct usage. SemperBlotto (talk) 16:49, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
    It's not part of my idiolect, even in the use you find legitimate, but my authority doesn't go very far. DCDuring TALK 20:39, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


I just noticed that you have reverted two of my contributions, the most recent being a corrected military definition for Abort, and the one before that the correct Military definition for Catapult. They are both taken from JCS Publication 1-02 (Department of Defense Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms) WHY???

  • The entry at abort - you gave verb definitions to the noun section. The definitions that you gave were just specialized usages of existing senses anyway.
  • The entry at catapult was similarly a specialized usage of the existing sense. SemperBlotto (talk) 17:19, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

And, WHY is it incorrect to include specific Verbal usage of Nouns? We in the Military use Nouns as Verbs all the time. The specific Dictionary I referenced has 405 pages of definitions, the vast majority of which are Nouns that have been used as Verbs. Incidentally, this dictionary is standard not only for the US DOD, but also for NATO, which includes 16 Nations, and the Inter-American Defense Board (IADB), which includes 20 Nations. Yes, the volume does have regular Nouns, used as Nouns, but many of them are used as Verbs as well. while we are at it, Why is "specialized usage" a problem?

Verbs and nouns are different parts of speech. They must be listed under different headings on the page. Equinox 20:52, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Firstly, words may certainly have both noun and verb senses - abort is one of these, and our entry has both noun and verb sections - your addition was in the wrong section.
  • Secondly, specialized usages may certainly be added here if they are significantly different from standard usage, But your definitions seemed to me to match the definitions that we already had - they just used different wordings.
  • Thirdly, definitions must be our own work - you must not copy definitions word-for-word from other dictionaries. SemperBlotto (talk) 13:41, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

MK DonsEdit

Milton Keynes Dons is not the "legal continuation" of Wimbledon FC. The legal entities were separated in 2004. This has been discussed at length on the Milton Keynes Dons page. Please revert your revert to stop this lie being perpetuated. 23:25, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

  • My understanding is that MK Dons is simply the old Wimbledon team with a new name and location (everything else remaining as was). That looks like a "legal continuation" to me. SemperBlotto (talk) 13:41, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Your understanding is wrong. In 2004 a CVA transferred the assets of Wimbledon FC Ltd to Milton Keynes Dons Ltd. Wimbledon FC Ltd continued in administration until being wound up in 2009. In legal terms Milton Keynes Dons is not a continuation, it's a new legal entity, formed in 2004. We've had this discussion over and over and those facts aren't changing. I'm going to delete the incorrect "legal continuation" text again.


Hey SB, could you undelete podemista please? I think there was some decent content there. --Type56op9 (talk) 15:10, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

French noun formsEdit

Also, does your bot still do French work? If so, there's a lot of terms at Category:French adjectives with missing forms (which are not actually adjectives) which could be created. --Type56op9 (talk) 15:14, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

  • Yes, but the contents of that category are just weird. I'll see if I can get my head around it.SemperBlotto (talk) 21:21, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
  • They mostly seem to be masculine nouns that have a feminine equivalent. So a (hypothetical) bot would have to generate the feminine form (with m=masculine form) and copy the definitions with the addition of "(female)". I'm not sure if I could do that without making mistakes. SemperBlotto (talk) 21:31, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
    • OK, I've done the simple ones. Most of the ones left have a sort= parameter. I'll see if I can generate that parameter for the feminine form. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:37, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
      • Thanks a lot. I've corrected some of the bot entries and tagged others as "I don't get it". Without a doubt, I've missed some, but other users will probably catch them. Between us, however, it's an improvement and Wiktionary has been enriched. --Type56op9 (talk) 09:59, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

German adjectivesEdit

Hi. If you're still working with German, there's some more adjective forms to be created if you're interested! --Type56op9 (talk) 11:47, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Bot voteEdit

One bot vote has finished, and passed. PS, would you like to archive your talk page? It's getting quite long... --Type56op9 (talk) 12:08, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Why remove etymology from entry "fire philosophers"?Edit

First off, I am new to wiktionary.

Why did you remove Etymology section from fire philosophers (this diff)?

I added (this diff) the missing example citation and {{seemoreCites}} that points to more citations that also state "Fire-Philosophers, or Philosophi per ignem". —BoBoMisiu (talk) 12:42, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

  • Etymology etc goes on the singular. We don't repeat it on the plural. SemperBlotto (talk) 13:52, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
OK. Thanks. —BoBoMisiu (talk) 17:38, 28 February 2015 (UTC)


It's the same as Chivalry, but in German.

Translations belong in the Translations section, not in Related terms. Equinox 22:15, 28 February 2015 (UTC)


I know that the chemistry definition and the definition "person who conforms" are in the right etymology sections with the right pronunciation, but I'm honestly not so sure about that biology sense. I can't remember ever having heard it, and this medical dictionary lists a rather different definition for the protein sense. It also lists a sense we don't have, but I'm not sure about that definition, having never seen it and having trouble finding it in use. Can you sort this entry out at all, or at least add/fix the definitions? Thanks! —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 20:44, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

  • I've moved the protein sense from ety 2 to ety 1 (and expanded a few definitions). I'm not sure of the mold in that dictionary. SemperBlotto (talk) 21:13, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
    • p.s. I see that Wikipedia has that sense - I don't know how to pronounce it though. SemperBlotto (talk) 21:16, 1 March 2015 (UTC)


Hi, you reverted my edit on Afrikaans "baba". But I was not logged in at the time, didn't realize that. Well, the word does mean "baby", there's no doubt about that. Check the Afrikaans wiktionary where it's defined as "baie jong kindjie" (very young child) and translated with English "baby". -- I just didn't delete the "father" sense because, as I said, my Afrikaans is not good enough to rule out that it exists. Best regards! Kolmiel (talk) 18:32, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

  • OK. I wouldn't be surprised if it actually means daddy - some similar words mean this in several European languages. SemperBlotto (talk) 19:43, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

lists o' wordsEdit

Hi Jeff, what is up. Firstly, thanks for repeatedly dealing with words on my user page, which is much more than I expected when I reminded you of it as a one-off thing. Secondly, as you know, I've done most of what I can from your A-Z sandbox pages, limited by (i) what's on Wikipedia and (ii) what I know (which is very limited) about biochemistry, anatomy, etc. I have developed the habit of posting on WP's talk pages "why does ___ redirect here?" in the hope that the next time I try it I will be able to define the word that previously only went to a certain WP page without explanation. It sometimes works. What is your feeling about the terms that are not even redirected on Wikipedia, and turn up nothing in the search engine? Excluding the mistakes, some are lesser-known (or obsolete/archaic) chemical terms, some are obscure enzymes, some are sufficiently compounded (with pre-, post-, sub-, super-, etc.) that WP wouldn't need articles (though they presumably have some anatomical sense, and I am not confident enough in that area to assume, oh, "post- means behind the dorsal whatever" — I am wondering whether we could commandeer some science-aware subset of WP (which is much bigger than us, and has "helpdesks" and all sorts) to help us with the remaining, more difficult words. Do you think this is doable? Do you think it is worth it? (I think it probably is.) They would have to be re-trained in our completely alien ideas about sourcing and referencing. Any other ideas? Equinox 01:23, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

I think Wikipedians are rarely eager to join a project like this, but it's worth a try. By the way, we do have some more science-knowledgeable sorts already on board around here, I think; I am, and I believe that Wyang (talkcontribs) is as well. Personally, I doubt I can do any better than Semper in any subjects besides geology, marine science, and palaeontology, so I reckon it won't do you much good, but it's something. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 01:31, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
My short-term memory is shot to hell, but I think I produced my sandbox words from here. I have serious doubts about many of them - e.g. (the very first one) acribometer = "An instrument for measuring very minute objects." WTF? I wouldn't be surprised if the majority are "dictionary-only words". (Thanks for your help by the way) SemperBlotto (talk) 08:15, 10 March 2015 (UTC)


Why does it say setentrionale m, f? --Romanophile (talk) 10:03, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

  • Yes, there seems to be a bug in the vec-adj template. I think (but am not sure) that the plural is setentrionali - I have removed the template for now. SemperBlotto (talk) 10:32, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
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