Sinonquoi

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Again, welcome! Kutchkutch (talk) 05:05, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

No translation tables in non-English entries

When you auto-import entries, remove the translation tables: they are not used in non-English entries. SURJECTION _{·talk·contr·log·} 13:40, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

"(Bot: Automated import of articles)"

Unauthorized bots are normally blocked on site here. Please read WT:BOT and follow its instructions before doing any more automated edits. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 04:05, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz: I have gone through the policy page, and I am not entirely sure how to proceed. I have been using pywikibot exclusively to add entries. Since I don't have a username already, do I need to coin one and then run the bot under that new username, hence reconfiguring it? Thanks. Sinonquoi (talk) 12:14, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

It would be best to discuss this at the Beer parlour. The real issue is trust: we have millions of entries, so the only time we get to check edits is when they're first made. If we give you a bot flag, that takes you off of the radar, and increases the amount you can do in the same period of time. We need to know, first of all, that you know what you're doing in general, since the bot is going to take whatever level of quality you produce and multiply it over a lot of edits, then we need to know that the bot will work properly. You seem to know what you're doing, but I don't have the expertise in the languages you edit or in the technical details to confidently make either assessment. Chuck Entz (talk) 13:58, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

I noticed you are still using the bot, please start a vote before you keep using it. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 09:28, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

hello

Thank you for your Kashmiri contributions! I've just realized the sudden increase in Kashmiri entries. When I started doing some edits and requests, there were just a few dozen -- now it's over one hundred.

I put some "script needed" requests where there was only a Roman/Latin script entry, but I'm only expecting one of them to be (manually) inserted -- Perso-Arabic is a bit more regular than Devanagari, both have their problems, but Roman/Latin does not seem to be standardized at all. The other requests may be removed.

I've had some difficulty recognizing the words spelled with "ae" since elsewhere this is written as "ə" (schwa) or "ạ"; also ú and u'/ü/ɨ. Could you explicate on a page like Wiktionary:About Kashmiri the spelling you're using in your inflection tables?

Eventually, some transliteration module would make things a lot easier, but for know I think it's good enough to have the grammatical forms there in some systematic and transparent way.

Thank you, again, and hopefully there'll be some more basic vocabulary items, grammar and interesting words for Kashmiri here in the future! --Mar1Qh 21:57, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

@Mar1Qh: Hey. I've wanted to fix up a basic system for Kashmiri on here for a while, but only now do I have the resources and time to do it properly.

I have set up a basic transliteration system. I'd suggest not adding or removing your provided transliterations since it can be automdated now. The module has its issues, specifically deriving from the lack of a official keyboard, hence recourse to various similar looking characters which often end up being completely different Unicode code points.

I will edit the Wiktionary:About_Kashmiri page in a few days, after I have finishing setting up the system here to some degree. Thank you for your contributions too. Sinonquoi (talk) 15:06, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Kashmiri "brother"

I noticed that you've created an entry for بوی (brother) but there is already a entry buoy which has the Perso-Arabic بوے -- are both spellings possible? --Mar1Qh 14:33, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

@Mar1Qh: The spelling with the "big ye" بوے would actually indicate a long final /e:/ sound, which this word doesn't have. Sinonquoi (talk) 15:09, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Badly formatted entries created by your bot

I've blocked your bot because it's creating badly formatted entries. I suggest carefully reading WT:EL and WT:NORM before running a bot again. —Rua (mew) 17:11, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

I have read both and I cannot tell which rule(s) exactly the bot has violated. The only thing you seem to have modified is replace case-gov with this +obj|ta|dat. I've modelled my entries after Ancient Greek which consistently uses case-gov. Is there anything else besides, or did you needlessly declare it a "badly formatted entry?" Sinonquoi (talk) 17:19, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Look at the change Rua made here. (Also, it looks like you're not putting ---- at the end any more, but in case you didn't know, that's just to separate different language sections.) —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 17:22, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

English entries consistently use the etym > head layout. This is nothing block-worthy. Sinonquoi (talk) 17:26, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

They only do that when there are multiple etymologies. As for whether it's block-worthy, your bot will need to be approved in a vote soon anyway per WT:BOT. But if you want to do more test edits to see if you've fixed these problems, just ping me and I'll be happy to unblock it. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 17:28, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

The spacing between the entries was incorrect. As stated on WT:NORM, getting the formatting exactly right in these details is mandatory for bots. —Rua (mew) 17:23, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

There are still some spacing issues. I don't see it as a huge problem, but you should try to fix it. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 04:18, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

What are the spacing issues exactly? I've fixed the template error (which was a typographical error). Sinonquoi (talk) 04:21, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

See ਛੀਂਬਾ, where there is no blank line between the headword-line template and the definition line. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 04:25, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Sanskrit entries

Hi Sinonquoi! You're making a lot of Sanskrit entries lately. They have some errors, which I'm having to clean up, since the other Sanskrit editors AryamanA and Bhagadatta aren't too active right now. saubhāgya doesn't have a head template. At laukya, there were missing details. anala had just one sense listed, while it actually has many more senses (same goes for bhid). See my changes there (I'm 'bout to clean up saubhāgya, that's not done yet). Please do not create too many Sanskrit entries without researching much about that (which certainly seems the case). I'm finding it difficult to clean up all these, that's why I thought of making this small request. Thanks. 🔥शब्दशोधक🔥 09:48, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

@SodhakSH: Hey, I am choosing not to add every single sense/meaning since that clutters up pages and renders them unreadable as is the case with most Sanskrit entries at this point. I am setting up pages with info I am certain about which others can add to. I don't think these constitute errors of any sort. If you find formatting errors, let me know where they exist so I can avoid them in the future. I see you cleaned up अनल where you replicated the same set of meanings for Hindi as exists for Sanskrit which might be okay but seems excessive for the English Wiktionary (might be appropriate for Hindi Wiktionary). I will keep making short entries/stubs which you are free to expand on. Sinonquoi (talk) 11:50, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

For example, सौभाग्य does not have {{sa-noun}}. For Hindi anala, all those meanings exist per Dāsa's dictionary. I have to mostly replace your content completely, so effectively it's making a new entry for me. You can make such entries, of course, but then, please be extra-careful with formatting, at least. Thanks. 🔥शब्दशोधक🔥 12:22, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for the heads up. Will take care. Sinonquoi (talk) 12:28, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

śrāvayati

The class given at श्रावयति is wrong; it is not suffixed with -noti. The fifth class of verbs are called svādi, from su (the root su) and ādi (etc.). Su is conjugated like (in Vedic) कृ: sunoti, कृणोति, etc. Stating that the term is causative is enough. Thanks. 🔥शब्दशोधक🔥 14:11, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

I was following the existing entry at दर्शयति which seems the exception. I have changed it. Sinonquoi (talk) 14:50, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Causatives don't have classes as such; can you point out a causative verb ending in -noti, -nāti, etc.? दर्शयति is again wrong. The fourth class div-ādi has verbs which have -y-ati and there is no -a- before -y- (if it has -a- and is guṇated, then it is class 10. like cur- to corayati). E.g. dīvyati, manyate, asyati, padyate, etc. so it can't accommodate darśayati. You should remove the class at दर्शयति, which was added by Special:Contributions/JainismWikipedian who created a lot of Sanskrit protologisms here and made bad entries of roots and verbs like गच्छ् (which is not a root in fact). 🔥शब्दशोधक🔥 02:37, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

ks-conj template

Hey there. I have been cleaning up and improving the ks-conj template that you created. I noticed that you have added past, future and present imperative. Per my knowledge, these do not exist, but the types of imperatives are simple, obligatory and polite. Omkar Nath Koul and Languagesgulper support this. [1][2] Therefore, I shall be changing this. Since you are the original author of the template, I thought it prudent to take your approval.

Thank you for creating the template! Rishabhbhat (talk) 11:30, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

@Rishabhbhat: Hey, no problem. Do feel free to improve or update any existing templates. Thank you. Sinonquoi (talk) 12:22, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Kashmiri Grammar Book

Brother, please find here a link for Kashmiri Grammar in Kashmiri (https://archive.org/details/dli.ernet.504533/mode/2up) . I will let you know when I get info from Zareef Sahab if any or If I find more I will post to you. Stay blessed. Have a beautiful day. Imranqazi90 (talk) 13:46, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

@Sinonquoi Brother as promised, my father had a talk with Zareef Ahmad Zareef asking him if he knew about a recent full detailed Kashmiri Grammar Book written in Kashmiri. So he suggested Shafi Shauq's کٲشریُک گرامر (kaeshryuk grammar) which was published in 2008 by N S publishers. I haven't found any soft copy online. Try to enquire in Kashmir, I am sure you will probably find it there as hard copy. Stay blessed. Have a beautiful day. Imranqazi90 (talk) 11:23, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Sinonquoi & Imranqazi90 this seems to be the one: https://archive.org/details/dli.ernet.510105/mode/2up. Though the uploader's title and the spelling is wrong, see inside and you'll see the same title and publisher. This is a golden find! We can now provide much better Kashmiri references and further readings. Rishabhbhat (talk) 07:08, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Rishabhbhat & Imranqazi90 Hey, thanks for this. This book might have some use with regard to grammar of Kashmiri. I'd about 50 pages in and most of this is description of linguistics, not of Kashmiri. Even then a lot of superfluous information is present. Most of this book doesn't use all the diacritics making it useless. Let alone /a/, most vowels are not marked.

Anyway, I would be a bit way of using this for multiple reasons. For one, the grammatical terminology is directly taken from Persian/Arabic. Most people are not familiar with it. More importantly, Shafiq has some pet favourite etymologies which are not corroborated. Looking at page page 65, he lists several words deriving from English for which there is no proof: If haspatāl and darāz were borrowed from English they would have a retroflex consonant. The sound changes make no sense. Likewise, rasīd 'receipt' is either from Persian or Hindustani, not English. Same with patlūn.

The spellings he provides for děd, sěkh, etc. are incorrect (page 50).

Ultimately, how does this book improve on Omkar Koul and Kashi Wali's work? Sinonquoi (talk) 09:50, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Sinonquoi You are absolutely right brother. I was checking it too and I am a bit disappointed with the spellings as I believe it is the fault of the publisher or lack of having proper kashmiri font. You are right for the specialised words he has just borrowed from arabic and persian words which we don't even use. It doesn't improve compared to Kaul's or Wali's work but is so far the only extensive work in our native language. We can just and wait and hope that more works are made in kashmiri and much more detailed ones. Imranqazi90 (talk) 13:53, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Rishabhbhat Golden find brother !!! I would have never expected it to be on internet archive as it is a recent book. Thanks a ton brother. اۆر زُو تہٕ دۆر کۆٹھ ❤️. Imranqazi90 (talk) 07:20, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Sinonquoi and Imranqazi90 I have posted a list of Kashmiri books, resources and reference books on my user page. Feel free to edit and add any book you find online as it will be helpful for everyone. Rishabhbhat (talk) 05:07, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Kashmiri pronunciation

You were asking about a book that shows real pronunciation of Kashmiri. Perhaps this would help: http://www.aa.tufs.ac.jp/~bhaskar/dardic/kash-pal.pdf. Also if you wish, you can add yourself to Module:workgroup_ping so that people looking for help regarding Kashmiri can get yours too. --Rishabhbhat (talk) 04:52, 5 February 2022 (UTC)