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If you don't add proper headwords to your entries, they will just get deleted. SemperBlotto (talk) 09:33, 5 April 2019 (UTC)


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Again, welcome! Chuck Entz (talk) 17:11, 5 April 2019 (UTC)


As I said before, if you don't know IPA, don't try to add it to entries. The IPA you added to your last two (ǫ́ʔáá and yáá) was very clearly wrong, and incorrect IPA is a lot worse than an entry not having a pronunciation section. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 05:51, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Since you asked, /y/ is a vowel (as found in French lune, for example), and Western Apache orthographic <y> evidently corresponds to /j/, as it does in English. But the main point is that copying blindly without knowing anything about IPA means that you can't catch basic mistakes or realise when a source is not using standard IPA but is instead using some Americanist notation-influenced version. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 05:59, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
You're right j makes that sound, i thought the source had it correct for some reason. I'll fix it!Ndołkah (talk) 06:01, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
Now that you've fixed that on yáá, I know it's not definitely wrong, but I still don't know if it's right, and what worries me is that neither do you. That's why I still think you shouldn't add IPA, at least not from the sources you've been relying on. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 06:05, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
UCLA isn't a good source? What about Wikipedia? Or Omniglot?Ndołkah (talk) 06:07, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
No, the UCLA Phonetics website is not a good source — their focus is not on describing Western Apache in particular. Wikipedia and Omniglot are also not sufficient. A good source would be a book or peer-reviewed paper on Western Apache. By the way, you are adding entries with inconsistent spellings, which makes me concerned as well — the glottal stop should be spelled with ʼ, not ' or ʔ (the fact that you used both makes me think you're copy-pasting without checking). —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 06:12, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
Well there are none available because my people's language is nearing extinction I am doing my best to continue the work of others. Where did I do that? I know it should be spelled with ' but IPAd with ?.Ndołkah (talk) 06:15, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
There are lots of resources; I see a long list of them at Western Apache language#Bibliography. If you don't have access to them, I can see if I can find any for you. You did that on ǫ́ʔáá. And as I'm trying to tell you, it should be spelled with ʼ, not ' (and the IPA is ʔ, not ?). Both o these are mistakes you have made, and it does make a difference. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 16:20, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
I know ? and ʔ are different as for ' that's how it's actually spelled most of the time! I'm going to finally buy the dictionary though. and any resources you can find for me would be great!Ndołkah (talk) 19:56, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

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Although they are normally worn in pairs, the definition goes with the singular - see sock and crew sock. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:17, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Wasn't sure thanks.Ndołkah (talk) 11:21, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

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