Talk:-us
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Latin. Any examples for these alleged declension patterns?
a) Of nouns: Second-declension noun (neuter, nominative/accusative/vocative in -us), with locative.
| Case | Singular | Plural |
|---|---|---|
| Nominative | -us | -ī |
| Genitive | -ī | -ōrum |
| Dative | -ō | -īs |
| Accusative | -us | -ōs |
| Ablative | -ō | -īs |
| Vocative | -us | -ī |
| Locative | -ī | -īs |
Notes:
- There are three 2nd declension neuters in -us: vīrus, vulgus, pelagus. New Latin vīrus has plural vīra, pelagus has pelagē (from Greek). But which neuter shall have nom. pl. -ī?
b) Of adjectives: Second-declension adjective (feminine forms identical to masculine forms), with locative.
| Number | Singular | Plural | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Case / Gender | Masc./Fem. | Neuter | Masc./Fem. | Neuter | |
| Nominative | -us | -um | -ī | -a | |
| Genitive | -ī | -ōrum | |||
| Dative | -ō | -īs | |||
| Accusative | -um | -ōs | -a | ||
| Ablative | -ō | -īs | |||
| Vocative | -e | -um | -ī | -a | |
| Locative | -ī | -īs | |||
Note: Words from Greek having nom. sg. -os for masc. and fem. don't count.
--20:02, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
- I have found Late Latin uses of pelagus as pelagī in what I'm pretty sure is the nominative plural, but I am still trying to find something that is unambiguously not the genitive, as they're either not in running text (e.g. a header) or abbreviated prose (e.g. marginal notes). Theknightwho (talk) 15:15, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
- RFV failed (uncited for more than a month), unless Thenightwho can now cite any examples of neuter nominative/accusative plural pelagī. I would be surprised if that form exists with that gender; practically every neuter plural in Latin ends in -a (the few exceptions being highly irregular frequent words with special etymologies such as haec, quae, duo, ambo). It seems more likely that nominative plural pelagī, like accusative singular pelagum and accusative plural pelagōs, would be a masculine byform.--Urszag (talk) 03:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)