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Again, welcome! --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 19:21, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Mischaracterized Sylheti EntriesEdit

The code we use for Sylheti language entries is "syl". Peace be upon thee. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 21:11, 11 August 2017 (UTC)


Thanks so much for Sylheti and Assamese contributions! We are in need of more South Asian editors... Would you mind putting a {{Babel}} on your user page? —Aryaman (मुझसे बात करो) 20:56, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, sure :)
Also, think of the following as an opportunity to add more entries or at least red links: Category:Requests for translations into Assamese. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 06:56, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Assamese মা (ma)Edit

Could you make this entry? Thanks. —Aryaman (मुझसे बात करो) 14:17, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Assamese declension templateEdit

It would be nice to have {{as-decl-noun}} instead of inline declension. I'll make it, but I need to know how the plural number in Assamese work. Is it marked? —Aryaman (मुझसे बात करो) 13:56, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi, is it same as Bengali inflection table? --- Sagir

  • Example: phul (flower) and gôru (cow) and gari (car)
  • Indefinite:
  • Nominative: phul / gôru / gari
  • Objective: phul, phul-ôk / gôru, gôru-k / gari, gari-k
  • Genitive: phul-ôr / gôru-r / gari-r
  • Locative: phul-ôt / gôru-r ga-t (-r = of, ga = body, -t = in/on/at) / gari-t
  • Ergative: phul-ê / gôru-ê / gari-ê
  • Definite:

(Assamese has many classifiers, so it's difficult. But some dominant Classifiers can be used instead)

  • Nominative: Phul-pah (main Classifier, alternative dominant Classifier: phul-tû) -- phul-kêi-pah (phul-kêi-ta) [plural] / gôru-tû -- gôru-kêi-ta / gari-khôn (-khôn is the dominant classifier for small flat; and big objects) -- gari-kêi-khôn
  • Objective: (same as nominative "or") phul-pah-ôk (phul-tû-k) -- phul-kêi-pah-ôk (phul-kêi-ta-k) / gôru-tû-k -- gôru-kêi-ta-k / gari-khôn-ôk -- gari-kêi-khôn-ôk
  • Genitive: phul-pah-ôr (phul-tû-r) -- phul-kêi-pah-ôr (phul-kêi-ta-r) / gôru-tû-r -- gôru-kêi-ta-r / gari-khôn-ôr -- gari-kêi-khôn-ôr
  • Location: phul-pah-ôt (phul-tû-t) -- phul-kêi-pah-ôt (phul-kêi-ta-t) / gôru-tû-t (or gôru-tû-r-ga-t) -- gôru-kêi-ta-t (or gôru-kêi-ta-r ga-t) / gari-khôn-ôt -- gari-kêi-khôn-ôt
  • Ergative: phul-pah-ê (phul-tû-ê) -- phul-kêi-pah-ê (phul-kêi-ta-i) / gôru-tû-ê -- gôru-kêi-ta-i / gari-khôn-ê -- gari-kêi-khôn-ê

(Note, since Assamese is written in an abugida, when no vowel is present "ô" (the inherent vowel) comes. The ergative -ê becomes -i after a-, ô- , o-)

Hmmm, this is useful. So the classifier is only used in plural cases then? I'll make a simple declension template. —Aryaman (मुझसे बात करो) 18:53, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Oh, I misunderstood, it's used for definite cases. So is the plural marked at all? —Aryaman (मुझसे बात करो) 18:54, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Once again, I misunderstood... only definitive plural is marked with -কেই then. —Aryaman (मुझसे बात करो) 19:04, 15 September 2017 (UTC)


If you are using this template please start the line with #: DTLHS (talk) 03:33, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Sylheti transliterationEdit

I wonder if you or DerekWinters (talkcontribs) will ever create Wiktionary:Sylheti transliteration, similar to Wiktionary:Assamese transliteration. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 09:32, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

@Lo Ximiendo: Lemme try

-- MSA

श्वास (śvāsa)Edit

The ancestor of the Eastern Indo-Aryan languages is Magadhi Prakrit (we have a special code, inc-mgd). Ardhamagadhi Prakrit is actually the ancestor of Eastern Hindi, for example Awadhi. It has been mixed up here for a while, since the names are similar. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 22:42, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

For alternative forms you can use {{altform|শব্দ|lang=as}}. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 19:45, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Omniglot - AssameseEdit

"Hear recording of this text by Md. Sagir Ahmed (মঃ চাগিৰ আহমেদ) from Assam, India."

Man, is that you? :-) --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 22:27, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

@Per utramque cavernam Yes, that's me in 2015 XD. I have to improve the text in IPA. -- Sagir

Ahah, awesome, and the audio quality is good[1]. Would you consider recording some words on commons? It's virgin territory entirely (compare Bengali). --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 09:57, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
  1. ^ Can't say the same for the Marathi recording, which sounds like it was read underwater...

Sure! Sagir Ahmed Msa (talk) 11:08, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Wow, that's really cool! Yes, Commons has very few audio pronunciations for Indian languages (besides Tamil). You can upload audio with the name File:as-word.ogg (or any other sound file extension) and a bot will add it automatically to the Wiktionary entry. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 03:48, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

@per utramque cavernam, @AryamanA I've uploaded some! -- Sagir

Awesome, thanks! --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 10:30, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Great! —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 14:04, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Requested entries (Assamese)Edit

Hello. Is it all right if I put some entries there from time to time (I'll try to stay reasonable)? --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 17:08, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

@Per utramque cavernam: Yeah sure! -- Sagir

Category:English terms derived from AssameseEdit

Hi. Thanks very much for your contributions with Assamese – I added several English borrowings from Assamese last year when I was in Assam and reading some translated literature from the region, and I found then that we had very little info from the language on this project, so it's great to see your work. If you get a chance to check some of the entries in Category:English terms derived from Assamese that would be great, as I see some of them do not have a full etymology there. Thanks again! Ƿidsiþ 10:40, 8 March 2018 (UTC)


Hello, popping in again for a moment. 1 might be of interest to you, particularly the line: "In case of Sylheti, we observed two way tonal contrasts: the emergence of high tone in the vowels following the loss of aspiration, and a low tone elsewhere." So ꠊꠞ (gor), originally ghor, now gor, will have a high tone on the 'o' because it follows the loss of aspiration. Hope this helps. DerekWinters (talk) 18:36, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

@DerekWinters Great info! Thanks! Should the transliteration be based on the value of the characters or the tones, or the current one is fine? Sagir Ahmed Msa (talk) 18:42, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm not sure. The current one reflects the phonology of the language, so we can stick to that. But this tone info can be used for the pronunciation sections.
Also, 1 This website has so many examples of Sylheti literature, also with English translations. I hope it helps. DerekWinters (talk) 18:49, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
Actually only 4 examples, all on this page 1. DerekWinters (talk) 18:50, 18 March 2018 (UTC)


Just a small thing to remember: "Descendants" and "Derived terms" are level 4 headings (e.g.====Descendants===). Great job on Eastern Indo-Aryan :) —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 02:35, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

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