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Mischaracterized Sylheti EntriesEdit

The code we use for Sylheti language entries is "syl". Peace be upon thee. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 21:11, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

ContributionsEdit

Thanks so much for Sylheti and Assamese contributions! We are in need of more South Asian editors... Would you mind putting a {{Babel}} on your user page? —Aryaman (मुझसे बात करो) 20:56, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, sure :)
Also, think of the following as an opportunity to add more entries or at least red links: Category:Requests for translations into Assamese. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 06:56, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Assamese মা (ma)Edit

Could you make this entry? Thanks. —Aryaman (मुझसे बात करो) 14:17, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Assamese declension templateEdit

It would be nice to have {{as-decl-noun}} instead of inline declension. I'll make it, but I need to know how the plural number in Assamese work. Is it marked? —Aryaman (मुझसे बात करो) 13:56, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi, is it same as Bengali inflection table? --- Sagir

  • Example: phul (flower) and gôru (cow) and gari (car)
  • Indefinite:
  • Nominative: phul / gôru / gari
  • Objective: phul, phul-ôk / gôru, gôru-k / gari, gari-k
  • Genitive: phul-ôr / gôru-r / gari-r
  • Locative: phul-ôt / gôru-r ga-t (-r = of, ga = body, -t = in/on/at) / gari-t
  • Ergative: phul-ê / gôru-ê / gari-ê
  • Definite:

(Assamese has many classifiers, so it's difficult. But some dominant Classifiers can be used instead)

  • Nominative: Phul-pah (main Classifier, alternative dominant Classifier: phul-tû) -- phul-kêi-pah (phul-kêi-ta) [plural] / gôru-tû -- gôru-kêi-ta / gari-khôn (-khôn is the dominant classifier for small flat; and big objects) -- gari-kêi-khôn
  • Objective: (same as nominative "or") phul-pah-ôk (phul-tû-k) -- phul-kêi-pah-ôk (phul-kêi-ta-k) / gôru-tû-k -- gôru-kêi-ta-k / gari-khôn-ôk -- gari-kêi-khôn-ôk
  • Genitive: phul-pah-ôr (phul-tû-r) -- phul-kêi-pah-ôr (phul-kêi-ta-r) / gôru-tû-r -- gôru-kêi-ta-r / gari-khôn-ôr -- gari-kêi-khôn-ôr
  • Location: phul-pah-ôt (phul-tû-t) -- phul-kêi-pah-ôt (phul-kêi-ta-t) / gôru-tû-t (or gôru-tû-r-ga-t) -- gôru-kêi-ta-t (or gôru-kêi-ta-r ga-t) / gari-khôn-ôt -- gari-kêi-khôn-ôt
  • Ergative: phul-pah-ê (phul-tû-ê) -- phul-kêi-pah-ê (phul-kêi-ta-i) / gôru-tû-ê -- gôru-kêi-ta-i / gari-khôn-ê -- gari-kêi-khôn-ê

(Note, since Assamese is written in an abugida, when no vowel is present "ô" (the inherent vowel) comes. The ergative -ê becomes -i after a-, ô- , o-)

Hmmm, this is useful. So the classifier is only used in plural cases then? I'll make a simple declension template. —Aryaman (मुझसे बात करो) 18:53, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Oh, I misunderstood, it's used for definite cases. So is the plural marked at all? —Aryaman (मुझसे बात करो) 18:54, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Once again, I misunderstood... only definitive plural is marked with -কেই then. —Aryaman (मुझसे बात करो) 19:04, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

{{syn}}Edit

If you are using this template please start the line with #: DTLHS (talk) 03:33, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Sylheti transliterationEdit

I wonder if you or DerekWinters (talkcontribs) will ever create Wiktionary:Sylheti transliteration, similar to Wiktionary:Assamese transliteration. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 09:32, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

@Lo Ximiendo: Lemme try

-- MSA

श्वास (śvāsa)Edit

The ancestor of the Eastern Indo-Aryan languages is Magadhi Prakrit (we have a special code, inc-mgd). Ardhamagadhi Prakrit is actually the ancestor of Eastern Hindi, for example Awadhi. It has been mixed up here for a while, since the names are similar. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 22:42, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

For alternative forms you can use {{altform|শব্দ|lang=as}}. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 19:45, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Omniglot - AssameseEdit

"Hear recording of this text by Md. Sagir Ahmed (মঃ চাগিৰ আহমেদ) from Assam, India."

Man, is that you? :-) --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 22:27, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

@Per utramque cavernam Yes, that's me in 2015 XD. I have to improve the text in IPA. -- Sagir

Ahah, awesome, and the audio quality is good[1]. Would you consider recording some words on commons? It's virgin territory entirely (compare Bengali). --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 09:57, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
  1. ^ Can't say the same for the Marathi recording, which sounds like it was read underwater...

Sure! Sagir Ahmed Msa (talk) 11:08, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Wow, that's really cool! Yes, Commons has very few audio pronunciations for Indian languages (besides Tamil). You can upload audio with the name File:as-word.ogg (or any other sound file extension) and a bot will add it automatically to the Wiktionary entry. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 03:48, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

@per utramque cavernam, @AryamanA I've uploaded some! -- Sagir

Awesome, thanks! --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 10:30, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Great! —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 14:04, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Requested entries (Assamese)Edit

Hello. Is it all right if I put some entries there from time to time (I'll try to stay reasonable)? --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 17:08, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

@Per utramque cavernam: Yeah sure! -- Sagir

Category:English terms derived from AssameseEdit

Hi. Thanks very much for your contributions with Assamese – I added several English borrowings from Assamese last year when I was in Assam and reading some translated literature from the region, and I found then that we had very little info from the language on this project, so it's great to see your work. If you get a chance to check some of the entries in Category:English terms derived from Assamese that would be great, as I see some of them do not have a full etymology there. Thanks again! Ƿidsiþ 10:40, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

SylhetiEdit

Hello, popping in again for a moment. 1 might be of interest to you, particularly the line: "In case of Sylheti, we observed two way tonal contrasts: the emergence of high tone in the vowels following the loss of aspiration, and a low tone elsewhere." So ꠊꠞ (gor), originally ghor, now gor, will have a high tone on the 'o' because it follows the loss of aspiration. Hope this helps. DerekWinters (talk) 18:36, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

@DerekWinters Great info! Thanks! Should the transliteration be based on the value of the characters or the tones, or the current one is fine? Sagir Ahmed Msa (talk) 18:42, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm not sure. The current one reflects the phonology of the language, so we can stick to that. But this tone info can be used for the pronunciation sections.
Also, 1 This website has so many examples of Sylheti literature, also with English translations. I hope it helps. DerekWinters (talk) 18:49, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
Actually only 4 examples, all on this page 1. DerekWinters (talk) 18:50, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

FormattingEdit

Just a small thing to remember: "Descendants" and "Derived terms" are level 4 headings (e.g.====Descendants===). Great job on Eastern Indo-Aryan :) —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 02:35, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Eastern Nagari script for SanskritEdit

Hi! I'm not sure if it is the best idea to use Eastern Nagari script to link to Sanskrit words (like you did on some entries), but I agree that on the Sanskrit entries we should have something like {{pi-alt}} showing different scripts. What do you think? —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 21:34, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

@AryamanA Hi, I did that because generally and traditionally Eastern Nagari script has been used to write Sanskrit in Assam (and Bengal). So it helps Assamese speakers and learners to understand the links. Sanskrit is written in many scripts (probably more than Pali) and many variations of the same script, so Assamese alphabet based Sanskrit is slightly different from Bengali alphabet based Sanskrit. Msasag (talk) 05:59, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

@Msasag: Okay, fine by me. You can use {{inh|as|sa|Devanagari spelling|Assamese spelling}} to link to the Devanagari while showing Eastern Nagari spelling. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 19:43, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

@AryamanA Thanks, but transliteration isn't supported for the Eastern Nagari spelling: Sanskrit পদ্ম (padma). Msasag (talk) 19:50, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Hey! It works now! Sanskrit পদ্ম (padma). DerekWinters (talk) 01:54, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

@AryamanA Can you add as-Beng to the list of scripts for Sanskrit? And can you put the scripts in alphabetical order. I'm slightly OCD. DerekWinters (talk) 02:32, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
@AryamanA Repinging in case you missed it. DerekWinters (talk) 00:10, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
@DerekWinters: Ah, sorry about that, I saw it but forgot. Done now. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 01:41, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

@DerekWinters, @AryamanA Eastern Nagari transliteration isn't working now. Msasag (talk) 02:20, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

@AryamanA I'm not sure what went wrong. It's also treating as-Beng as a non-Sanskrit script (compare it and Bengali on मेघ). DerekWinters (talk) 02:31, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
@DerekWinters: Basically fixed. What translit module should we use for Assamese-script Sanskrit? I set it to use MOD:inc-mas-translit but I don't think that's what we want. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 14:51, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
@AryamanA: Module:sa-Pnag-translit (purvi nagari) is designed for both Bengali and Assamese, it should work just fine right? DerekWinters (talk) 15:34, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
@DerekWinters: I guess it should work. I would prefer it being called MOD:sa-Beng-translit because Pnag isn't a real script code (and the code Beng covers all Purvi Nagari script variants). —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 16:38, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

{{t+}}Edit

FYI, {{t+}} is only for cases where the other-language Wiktionary has an entry. (Hence the superscript link that it generates to that entry.) When there's no such entry, please use {{t}}.

Thanks in advance!
RuakhTALK
02:45, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

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