User talk:DTLHS


As the only person besides myself who has done some data entry for this module, do you have any thoughts on the format? Does it seem too complicated? Too underpowered? Etc.? Thanks. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 05:21, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Pretty happy with the format so far. It feels pretty flexible and intuitive, but I'd like to see what plans you have for referencing specific editions, translations, works quoted in other works, etc. I'd also like to see more tracking options for when the template is used on lots of pages- if someone references an unknown work by a known author, if a chapter is referenced that doesn't exist, etc. DTLHS (talk) 04:35, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Vahagn was also asking for the option of greater specificity; I'll ponder working that in over the weekend. As for tracking....that's something I'd like too, but I'll have to delve into Lua, and specifically Scribunto, to figure out what our options are on that. Thank you for your thoughts. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 07:46, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Please also ponder on the possibility of adding external links not to a Wikisource :) The Wikisources of non-major languages are almost empty. --Vahag (talk) 14:00, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Various Vahag requests and questionsEdit

Thanks for creating {{der3}}. I used it in սէր ‎(sēr). For some reason there are 4 columns and the column No. 2 has two more items than column No. 1. --Vahag (talk) 09:58, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

You left in the der-mid3 templates, which understandably messes things up. Two other things: you don't need the "* ", the template does that automatically, and I added in functionality to automatically link the terms with create_link / lang, if you want. DTLHS (talk) 22:38, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
How should create_link / lang be used? Can you give an example? --Vahag (talk) 07:33, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Added a doc page. DTLHS (talk) 19:16, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

I am trying to Luacize the 3= line of Template:hy-noun-ի-ներ. If the last letter of the PAGENAME is a vowel, i.e. ա, ե, է, ի, ո, օ, ու, I manually specify vowend=on like this, and one of the impossible inflected forms is hidden. I understand Lua can easily determine if the last letter is a vowel and automatically choose the correct option in 3=. Can you write that function into Module:hy-common and tell me the best way to invoke it in Template:hy-noun-ի-ներ? --Vahag (talk) 20:43, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Done, I believe. Could you test it? DTLHS (talk) 21:15, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Life is much easier now :) --Vahag (talk) 13:10, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Edits like thisEdit

Is there some global reason for these? They are in contravention to WT:AYI. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 09:04, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

The entry was in Special:UncategorizedPages. See Wiktionary:Grease pit/2014/February#Uncategorized_pages. DTLHS (talk) 17:28, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for hacking away at Special:UncategorizedPages, DTLHS!
@Metaknowledge: In my experience, other languages put their alternative spellings into POS categories, e.g. Friedensprozeß, 거부기, and even Qur'ân/Qurʾān, where — as with the Yiddish word — the only difference from the lemma is diacritics. But IIRC, pointed spellings of (Hebrew-script) words, not just in Yiddish but in Hebrew, have indeed traditionally been treated as "more second-class" than other alternative spellings. If that is the case, and it is not desirable to categorise pointed spellings by POS (or even if it is desirable), perhaps Category:Yiddish pointed forms should be created (and populated by a template like {{yi-pointed spelling of}}?). Other categories could be created for other classes of alternative forms, which (if very numerous) might prompt a review of which classes of alternative forms merit inclusion. - -sche (discuss) 03:00, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
It's a little complicated, because there is a standard for Yiddish which in some cases prefers more pointing, and in some cases less. (When I write in Yiddish, I rarely use any niqqudot, but that's nonstandard, although I'm sure I'm with the majority of Yiddish texts.) So {{yi-unpointed form of}} makes sense, but the opposite is not "pointed" but "overly pointed according to YIVO", and I'm not sure how to craft the wording for that. That said, we could certainly use something to designate בּין ‎(bin) thus, because "alternative spelling" just doesn't quite cover it. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 03:11, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Help with Latvian entries?Edit

Hi! Can I ask you again to help me enter form-of pages for Latvian adjectives (actually, participles), now listed at User:Pereru/Adjective forms, with your bot? Thanks in advance! --Pereru (talk) 02:11, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Done. DTLHS (talk) 05:02, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I have a few more participles to add -- already at User:Pereru/Adjective forms. Can I ask for you help again? --Pereru (talk) 23:32, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

The list of headersEdit

Would it be possible to split it into two lists: one that shows headers that are not recognised at all, and another that shows headers that are recognised but are not at the correct level? —CodeCat 23:54, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes- give me a few minutes. DTLHS (talk) 00:12, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Updated. DTLHS (talk) 02:34, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, it's very helpful. —CodeCat 02:39, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
By the way, I have a steadily growing list of headers on my computer that nobody else can access. It would be nice to put in a lua data module, with the header, whether or not it is deprecated, and a list of valid levels. DTLHS (talk) 00:47, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
A full list of headers would be useful. I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to have some kind of consensus process for any new headers, so that we can have a single list of approved headers that we all agree on, and where they can appear in an entry. It would also help in writing bots. —CodeCat 02:39, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Do you think next time you run the bot, if it could make a second list (on another page maybe), that sorts the mistakes not alphabetically, but by the amount of entries? Keep them split by level and recognised/unrecognised as before, just change the sorting within each section. This would help us with determining whether certain headers really need to be made approved if they are in widespread use. —CodeCat 19:14, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
It's not that hard to scroll through the list as it is now and see which headers are in a lot of entries. "Derived characters" is a common one that we should probably allow, likewise "Verbal noun" and "Infix". "Abbreviations" is common, but I don't know if we want to allow it. "Ligature" is common but should perhaps be "Character" (though I notice "Character" is also on the list of nonstandard-but-used headers); "Diacritical mark" should perhaps be "symbol". Also, there are a lot of "reading" headers ("Uncommon on-reading of:" with colon included, "Kanji reading", etc) that we should probably sort out. - -sche (discuss) 19:41, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

More LatvianEdit

Hi DTLHS! There are some more Latvian form-of pages (participles) at User:Pereru/Adjective forms. Thanks in advance! --Pereru (talk) 03:07, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

"no entry" languagesEdit

How is your bot figuring out what language code to use? —CodeCat 00:17, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Right now it's just the entries with "Appendix:English dictionary-only terms" (which is obviously English). I'll see if there are any more transparent fixes that can be made afterwards. DTLHS (talk) 00:22, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Converting to headEdit

Thank you for working on converting templates to use {{head}}. I noticed that you are forgetting some parameters in the conversion though, in particular the head= parameter. You should probably fix that. —CodeCat 23:52, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Any template in particular? DTLHS (talk) 23:55, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
A lot of them, from what I've seen. I only looked at your most recent edits. —CodeCat 23:55, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Requests for quotation subcategoriesEdit

Do you have a template to put in the hundreds of redlinked categories you just created? Or at least some guidance about what to put in them? I've been working for some time to get Special:WantedCategories down to a manageable size, with a core of a few hundred unresolvable ones. CodeCat tends to temporarily inflate it with her work on categorization modules, but runs MewBot to clear it again each time. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 16:59, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Update: I came up with a minimalist solution, which CodeCat improved on and ran with. See Category:Requests for quotation by source. Chuck Entz (talk) 18:45, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

More Latvian word formsEdit

Hi! Long time no see... but I already have a few hundred Latvian word forms to enter at User:Pereru/Adjective forms. Thanks in advance for helping me out! --Pereru (talk) 20:44, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Still more LatvianEdit

Hi! There are more participial forms ready to be entered at User:Pereru/Adjective forms. Again thanks for your help! --Pereru (talk) 22:06, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Careless editingEdit

Thank you (and my apologies) for the cleaning up you have done on some of my edits lately. — Saltmarshαπάντηση 04:24, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

No problem. DTLHS (talk) 18:30, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Similarly, sorry for the typos you just corrected. —JohnC5 (Talk | contribs) 03:20, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
From me too: thanks for fixing all my language-code errors in {{etyl}} tags! —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 21:11, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Knowledge of LingalaEdit

I'm quite curious: how much do you know about the Lingala language? That's one thing where the Babel Box comes in. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 21:55, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Not enough to be worth a babel box. DTLHS (talk) 21:58, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Then what are your Lingala language sources? Or one source? --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 21:59, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
See ebale, as well as some dictionaries. I will create reference templates in a bit. DTLHS (talk) 22:07, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Headings listEdit

At Wiktionary:Beer_parlour/2015/January#acronym.2C_initialism.2C_abbreviation_template_use your name came up as the provider or a list of all headers used in Wiktionary or at least principal namespace, presumably from the XML dump. It would be nice if you could run it again. If it's in Perl I could do it, if you could send a copy of the script. (I'm not much good at doing a script from scratch.) DCDuring TALK 18:21, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

OK- it's in Python, not Perl. It's at User:DTLHS/headers, give me a few minutes to download the latest dump. DTLHS (talk) 18:27, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Not urgent, but appreciated. DCDuring TALK 18:32, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
@DCDuring: Now updated. DTLHS (talk) 20:14, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

noshow=1 in taxlinkEdit

How has this parameter offended you? {{taxlink}} without the parameter appears in Category:Entries using the taxlink template, which would be redundant to the transclusion list for the template. Inserting noshow=1 suppresses the membership.

The point of this was for me to detect and express gratitude for the use of {{taxlink}}. The point of {{taxlink}} is to identify the most wanted taxonomic names, which list, appearing at User:DCDuring/MissingTaxa, which list is periodically renewed from the XML dumps. DCDuring TALK 14:16, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

OK. I won't remove it from now on. DTLHS (talk) 19:45, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for all the insectsEdit

Thanks for the insect taxa you added. I enhanced the entries a little, mostly with links to the Tree of life project (which, coincidentally?, happens to cover the area you were working) and Wikicommons, some formatting (no italics for taxa above genus), and some easy etymologies. DCDuring TALK 18:22, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Why doesn't {{taxlink}} automatically italicize / unitalicize taxa based on rank? DTLHS (talk) 19:46, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Topical categoriesEdit

I noticed you've been using {{tcez1}}. I glad someone else has found it useful. Still, I think you might want to know that User:Kc kennylau recently fixed the module so you can just use {{topic cat}} with no parameters, instead. That's particularly useful for parent categories, for which the lack of ":" or a language code made the use of {{tcez1}} impossible. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:26, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

That's great. Can this be extended to other boilerplate templates like {{derivcatboiler}}? DTLHS (talk) 02:28, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Actually I see the code would be relatively simple:
	if info.template == "derivcatboiler" and not not info.code and not info.label then
		pagename = mw.title.getCurrentTitle().text
		pagename = mw.text.split(pagename, 'derived from')
		if pagename[1] == "Category:Terms " then
			info.label = "ROOT"
			info.code = require("Module:languages/templates").getByCanonicalName(mw.ustring.sub(pagename[2], 2, -1))
but I'm not sure if getByCanonicalName is allowed to be used widely like this. DTLHS (talk) 02:43, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I've been pushing for that kind of thing (see Wiktionary:Grease pit/2014/April#Taming topic cat from a year ago, and Wiktionary:Grease pit/2015/January#Simplifying Catboiler Templates For Editors, though I never got around to {{derivcatboiler}}. There's no reason it shouldn't be just as easy as fixing {{topic cat}}, since the languages are always in their canonical form and always separated by the string " terms derived from " (I had a working version of a {{tcez1}}-style template going, but didn't understand transclusion well enough to make it usable). {{topic cat}} and {{poscatboiler}} are the only ones modified thus far because a) I don't feel comfortable working in Lua, and b) the people who could implement such things haven't. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:24, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
It is easy, but it would require further changes since {{derivcatboiler}} with no parameters is already in use in Category:Terms derived from other languages. DTLHS (talk) 03:29, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
True, but the "further changes" would be merely skipping that code if the pagename=="Terms derived from other languages" Chuck Entz (talk) 04:03, 12 March 2015 (UTC)


Hi. Would you be able to update User:DTLHS/elsewhere, please? There's been lots of these entries created recently. Many of them very basic and stubby, but they're entries nonetheless. Thanks for all your work --Type56op9 (talk) 14:23, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

OK, but the latest enwikt dump was almost a month ago so it will not really be current. DTLHS (talk) 18:11, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Great. Thanks a lot --Type56op9 (talk) 21:20, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
@Type56op9: Updated again, after enwiktionary-latest-all-titles-in-ns0.gz was finally refreshed. DTLHS (talk) 16:35, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Gotta respect the enwiktionary-latest-all-titles-in-ns0.gz, dude. I nickname it "the wikt-geezer". --Type56op9 (talk) 16:53, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Any chance you could break the big dump into 3 subpages for me? I tried, but was told Wikimedia error. --Type56op9 (talk) 16:57, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Done. DTLHS (talk) 17:04, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Ta --Type56op9 (talk) 17:08, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
The list would be much much much more interesting if it did not have proper nouns. Any idea? --Dixtosa (talk) 17:59, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
The only thing I could reasonably do would be to filter words that started with a capital letter. Would that be good enough? DTLHS (talk) 18:27, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Well as my interests don't go beyond Georgian (a case-insensitive language) entries then for me no. Maybe you could create a separate page for the desired languages which would have the lowest frequency lower the the general page (9 currently)? --Dixtosa (talk) 20:37, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
@Dixtosa: User:DTLHS/elsewhere/ka- is this useful to you? DTLHS (talk) 21:22, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
Yups. Thank you. p.s. Ill remove proper nouns, I guess you do not mind. --Dixtosa (talk) 15:50, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
Ooh, User:DTLHS/elsewhere/ka looks cool. Can I get User:DTLHS/elsewhere/es, User:DTLHS/elsewhere/ast, User:DTLHS/elsewhere/ca and User:DTLHS/elsewhere/fr made? --A230rjfowe (talk) 21:28, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
It works based on character ranges- so Georgian was easy because there is a specific unicode range where I can detect Georgian. Any language using Latin script wouldn't work. DTLHS (talk) 21:30, 31 July 2015 (UTC)


Okay, I'm going to remember it next time. Thanks for warning me. - Alumnum (talk) 21:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Latvian forms?Edit

Hi DTLHS -- in case you can still help me with Latvian form-of pages, there's some 700 of them at User:Pereru/Adjective forms, ready to be entered. Thanks in advance! --Pereru (talk)

Done- but could you glance over some of the entries? I've changed some things on my end. DTLHS (talk) 18:39, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
Indeed. I've had a look, and a number of entries were wrong (one specific case: all the entries that end in a short "a", like liegta or aizliedzama, were wrong; also, some non-existing forms were created, e.g. forms ending in or in -aj which I had to delete). Did something go wrong? Was the format I used (with "xxxx / yyyy" at the end of each entry) no longer good? --Pereru (talk) 22:50, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
The format is fine- all of it was my fault. I apologize for creating more work for you. DTLHS (talk) 23:05, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
No biggie. Besides, it's been a while, so probably you didn't remember all the parameter settings, which is quite understandable. --Pereru (talk)
Do you want me to run it again? It will fix any wrong entries but not any of the bad titles. DTLHS (talk) 23:11, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
No need -- I just finished repairing everything. But just to be sure everything is OK, I have another 250 or so new adjective/participial forms at User:Pereru/Adjective forms that can be entered -- hopefully those will go all right! :-) --Pereru (talk) 01:44, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
Please review neiedodami, neiedodama, iedodamas, iedodami, iedodama, iedotu as these already had entries (in the future I'll skip pages that already exist). DTLHS (talk) 03:02, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
These were homophonous forms from another subparadigm -- I'll make sure they're OK. I noticerd also, by the way, that the viskanādiskākais paradigm wasn't completed -- only four of the forms in that table were entered. Were the others missing from my list? --Pereru (talk) 08:40, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
Yes, they were missing- see [1]. DTLHS (talk) 15:56, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
How weird! I'll enter then manually and make sure this doesn't happen the next time. Thanks again! --Pereru (talk) 20:19, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
@DTLHS, does your bot work by interpreting the template parameters itself? If so, then you should probably change it so that the template supplies the forms directly. An easy way to do this is to add a parameter to the template, which, when set, causes the template to produce JSON output instead of Wikicode. It has worked well for me in the past. —CodeCat 20:24, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
There are some new participial forms waiting to be entered at User:Pereru/Adjective forms. In case you stumble upon any pre-exisitng pages (there should be a couple), don't change them -- just note them here and I'll take care of them. Thanks! --Pereru (talk) 20:27, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
@CodeCat I don't understand the question. It works by parsing the page that Pereru gives me (User:Pereru/Adjective forms). JSON would be easier, but I don't know what Pereru's workflow looks like or if that would be easy for them. DTLHS (talk) 23:26, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
Oh, I see now. I was thinking of something quite different. The bot I wrote to create forms is given a list of pages, and on those pages it will find the inflection template. Then it adds a parameter to the template and does "Expand Template" on it. The result is JSON code, which lists all the forms to be created. Then the bot makes entries out of those. It's quite a bit more complicated than your bot. —CodeCat 23:32, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
@Pereru spriestu, spriedoša, spriestu, nespriestu, apspriedušās, apspriedušos, neapspriedušās, neapspriedušos, apspriestu, apspriestos, neapspriestu, neapspriestos, parastu, parasta, parasti, parastā, neparastu DTLHS (talk) 00:33, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

User:DTLHS/head es nounEdit

Thanks again for User:DTLHS/head es noun. I'm making my through the list, checking, cleaning up, correcting and updating lots of old formatting styles and/or mistakes, adding plurals etc. As I'm nearly "finished" with it but am unsure if I actually did all of them, would you be able to regenerate the list for me please? --A230rjfowe (talk) 20:24, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

As soon as the next dump comes out (should be soon, looks like it's in progress now). DTLHS (talk) 21:18, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
And do you want adjectives, verbs, etc as well? DTLHS (talk) 21:41, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
I just learned about queries of the this type. Do they search the current source or an old copy? —JohnC5 04:22, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
I think it's the current source. DTLHS (talk) 04:24, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm glad to hear it! —JohnC5 04:26, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

More LatvianEdit

There are a few more adjective forms to enter at User:Pereru/Adjective forms. Thanks in advance! --Pereru (talk) 04:17, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

@Pereru mainītu, nemainītu, nepelnītu, nestādītu, pelnīti, pelnītu, stādītu DTLHS (talk) 06:06, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! And now a few more... User:Pereru/Adjective forms --Pereru (talk) 13:45, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
@Pereru moderna, modernam, modernas, moderni, moderno, modernos, modernu, modernus, nepaceptos, nepaceptu, nepacepušos, nepacepušās, nepieceptu, nepārceptos, nepārceptu, nepārcepušos, nepārcepušās, nesaceptos, nesaceptu, nesacepušos, nesacepušās, nesauļojušos, nesauļojušās, nesauļotos, nesauļotu, neuzceptos, neuzceptu, neuzcepušos, neuzcepušās, neuzdevušos, neuzdevušās, neuzdodama, neuzdodamas, neuzdodami, neuzdodamās, neuzdodamāsuzdodošu, neuzdotos, neuzdotu, paceptos, paceptu, pacepušos, pacepušās, pieceptu, pārceptos, pārceptu, pārcepušos, pārcepušās, saceptos, saceptu, sacepušos, sacepušās, sauļojušos, sauļojušās, sauļotos, sauļotu, uzceptos, uzceptu, uzcepušos, uzcepušās, uzdevušos, uzdevušās, uzdodama, uzdodamas, uzdodami, uzdodamās, uzdotos, uzdotu

@DTLHS And here are a few more: User:Pereru/Adjective forms. I fear I may have made that page too big, though; I'm having little problems while trying to download it. Let me know if anything bad happens. --Pereru (talk) 04:50, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
@Pereru abstrakta, abstraktas, abstrakti, abstraktos, abstraktu, abstraktus, bikla, faktiska, mukla, muklai, muklas, muklo, muklu, muklā, muklām, muklās, patiesam, patiesām, staiga, staigos. The large page was fine. DTLHS (talk) 06:58, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Template with extra linefeedEdit

I'm not sure if I've come to the right person. When {{prefixsee}} appears at the end of a section it throws an extra linefeed (see γιοττα-) - can be got around by omitting the gap between sections - but is it something which can be fixed?   — Saltmarshσυζήτηση-talk 05:46, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Sorry I'm really bad at CSS. I know this is a problem that has persisted for a long time and I don't really have a solution for it. DTLHS (talk) 17:19, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Well, I've never tackled it. Thanks for looking.   — Saltmarshσυζήτηση-talk 18:10, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
This isn't a CSS issue. The #categorytree extension is outputting an extra empty line, which is causing this. You can see it when you copy both instances of the template from γιοττα- ‎(giotta-) and put them in Special:ExpandTemplates. —CodeCat 18:13, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Recent changesEdit

You need to click "hide page categorization" or somesuch - new feature. SemperBlotto (talk) 18:13, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks- that seems like it should be off by default. DTLHS (talk) 18:15, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
I agree, it definitely should. Moreover, bot edits should be hidden even when it's turned on. —CodeCat 18:17, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

User:DTLHS/cleanup/no translation templateEdit

Thanks for clearing these. Quite a lot of those entries were my own, and I got lazy. --Zo3rWer (talk) 14:05, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah there weren't actually that many. This on the other hand... DTLHS (talk) 18:04, 12 September 2015 (UTC)


Could you generate lists of entries with disallowed diacritics in the entry title? I'm specifically interested in lists for Old English, Middle English, and Hebrew at the moment (the links are to the about pages where disallowed diacritics are discussed). —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 04:13, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah that should be pretty easy I think. DTLHS (talk) 04:14, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! By the way, I see that the Hebrew page is a mite unclear; anything listed at w:Niqqud shouldn't be in an entry title. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 04:18, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
@Metaknowledge User:DTLHS/cleanup/disallowed diacritics. I would analyze every language with a sort key, but the from field isn't really possible to parse if you aren't Lua. DTLHS (talk) 05:33, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Thank you! A lot of false positives for Hebrew, but overall very helpful. I'm trying to think of more languages that would be likely to have offenders — Ancient Greek and Latin are more carefully patrolled, but checking those for stripped characters in entry titles would be great as well. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 05:38, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
If you have lists of characters just put them on the cleanup page and I'll update it. DTLHS (talk) 05:48, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. All cleaned up now. For future reference, U+05BE should not be included for Hebrew, as it is fine for pagetitles. For Latin and Ancient Greek, the disallowed characters are any macra or breves; should I list all such characters on the page? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 16:18, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, whatever format you find easiest. DTLHS (talk) 16:27, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
I copied them from the modules, and added an extra part for grc that may not be easy to do, in which case you don't need to. Thank you so much! —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 17:01, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
For the breathing marks, am I looking for ῾ and ᾽ coming after the vowel, or for single characters? DTLHS (talk) 17:06, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Oh, I forgot they were composed as single characters in Unicode. I'll reword the request. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 17:16, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
On further thought, I've removed that part. It's far too complex a thing to check for something that is such a marginal problem that it may not even catch anything. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 17:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
@Metaknowledge Updated. I didn't find any for Greek. DTLHS (talk) 17:48, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
All done (except for the tremata, which we don't have a clear policy on yet). Thank you! —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 18:19, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
  • I'm working on Yiddish now, and I'm interested in standardising our translations, which often do not match the orthographic norms or romanisation standards we use (and then creating the entries when they don't yet exist). The first step would be fixing all pages with Yiddish translations that include a comma in the transliteration, if you would be so kind as to provide a list. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 21:23, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
@Metaknowledge User:DTLHS/cleanup/yiddish translit commas. I only looked inside templated translations (within {{t}} etc) DTLHS (talk) 22:01, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! I cleaned those up, and now I'd like to find any translations with either of the following precomposed characters: ױ װ in the translation itself or in the alt=. I'd also like to find any translations that use any of the following characters in the translit: č š ž c j w x ö ü. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:50, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Done. DTLHS (talk) 01:34, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! As I clean these up, I see that presence of the following characters in the translit is also suggestive of a problem: q ; : [ Could you please check if there are any more that have these as well? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 03:02, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Maybe it would be easier to give me a list of characters that can be in transliterations, rather than those that can't be? If that's possible. DTLHS (talk) 03:06, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
I completely forgot about this, sorry. The allowed characters for transliterations are abdefghiklmnoprstuvyz. Could you please find if there are any left that have disallowed characters? Also, could you find any translations that use Latin script rather than Hebrew script? Thank you so much! —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 05:35, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
@Metaknowledge I added spaces to your list, so any other punctuation will show up. For Hebrew script I used the character ranges 0590-05FF and FB00-FB4F. DTLHS (talk) 00:16, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
Thank you! —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 03:35, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Module:Quotations/date validationEdit

Hi, DTLHS. Since you wrote this module, do you know why the year is not shown by Template:Q when I give it by year= as in ձեռագիր ‎(jeṙagir)? This only happens with languages which have an own Module:Quotations/xx module, such as Module:Quotations/hy. --Vahag (talk) 18:05, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Fixed I think- the module was assuming that if a language had its own data module it would never take extra parameters, instead of those parameters overriding whatever was in the data module. DTLHS (talk) 19:05, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
But now the data modules stopped working. The data for quotations No. 3 and 5 in ձեռագիր ‎(jeṙagir) were fetched from Module:Quotations/hy/data. --Vahag (talk) 19:30, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Do you mean this quote?
  1. 1869–70, Raffi, Xačʿagołi hišatakaranə [The Memoir of A Cross-Stealer]
    Նա տվեց ինձ մի թղթի կտոր, որի վրա գրված էին մի քանի տողեր միայն, ստորագրությունը և ձեռագիրը քավոր Պետրոսինն էր։

What do you expect to happen in this case? DTLHS (talk) 19:36, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Anyway I have to go now, if there's a problem revert my edits and I'll fix it when I get back. DTLHS (talk) 19:48, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
I temporarily reverted you, so you can see how it used to look like. After the changes data modules simply do not work at all for all languages. You can check by English. --Vahag (talk) 19:58, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
@Vahagn Petrosyan Better now? DTLHS (talk) 18:02, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Yes, now everything is working. Thank you. --Vahag (talk) 06:49, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

In the quotation of քարասոխ ‎(kʿarasox) the year= parameter is ignored because in Module:Quotations/hy/data this author has his years of life specified. Is this a bug or the expected behaviour of the module? --Vahag (talk) 08:18, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

You can now override the data module with named parameters. DTLHS (talk) 16:12, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Indeed, thanks. --Vahag (talk) 16:47, 12 October 2015 (UTC)


Hello there. How on earth have you managed to not be nominated for sysop duties yet? I'll nom you if you like. This way, if I start one more successful nomination, I will reach the landmark of 40 successful admin votes. --Zo3rWer (talk) 08:05, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

How indeed? I thought you were one. It might help you accomplish some things and need not burden you at all with extra responsibilities. Are you willing? DCDuring TALK 11:25, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Usually the I-thought-you-were-one argument is a reason for nomming a sysop. Excuse the Catch-22. --Zo3rWer (talk) 13:16, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
I believe DTLHS was offered nomination by virtue of having been an admin as Nadando, but declined. Chuck Entz (talk) 13:49, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
@Zo3rWer OK, you can nominate me. DTLHS (talk) 16:02, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
If you want to be a sysop again, my opinion is that you need only ask for it, and a vote is unnecessary. @SemperBlottoΜετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 16:06, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
But you won't be getting it without a Userpage. SemperBlotto (talk) 16:35, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
You copied my userpage! How dare you! I'll set up a vote sometime soon. --Zo3rWer (talk) 07:40, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
Your vote has passed, you are an Admin. Please add your name to WT:Admin. Also, see Help:Sysop tools. —Stephen (Talk) 05:02, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

reflexive-only Spanish verbsEdit

Hi there. What do you normally do with Spanish verbs that are only reflexive. I just made abstener, which I kinda wanted to redirect to abstenerse. I'm sure there's a better way of doing it. Any ideas? The same would apply to autoabastecer --> autoabastecerse and the like. Of course, the non-reflexive form would come up in structures like "No me voy a abstener". --Zo3rWer (talk) 12:39, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

I've always just put them at the reflexive forms only (abstenerse). But thinking about it I don't really like this approach any more. I think I would prefer it in the definition lines: {{cx|reflexive|lang=es}}, then abstenerse could be in the form of acostumbrarse (combined form, no real definition or conjugation). DTLHS (talk) 15:42, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

bot jobEdit

Hi, can you ask your bot to add the forms of propasar, please? Thanks in advance --Zo3rWer (talk) 12:04, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Done. Before I do any more could you look through the entries and make sure everything looks good? DTLHS (talk) 17:27, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
I had a look at them, and couldn't spot anything obviously wrong. It wasn't a comb-through, more of a miradita, but I reckon all is good. Thanks for the entries, and keep on swimming! --Zo3rWer (talk) 13:18, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
Can I request the same again for personarse, especiar, arremolinarse and agolparse please? --Zo3rWer (talk) 19:01, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
Ok, you can put requests here from now on. DTLHS (talk) 19:07, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Block pleaseEdit

Hi there, please can you block this username? I'm gonna move to a new account. Thanks, Wonderfool. --Zo3rWer (talk) 21:30, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

*pronouncation and *pronunciaitionEdit

Hello. I have corrected spontaneously almost all two types of misspelling in en.wiktionary. Regards, Eryk Kij (talk) 10:24, 6 November 2015 (UTC)


There are a couple of old discussions that are now in Category:Pages with module errors because they depend on older versions of your test template. I'm not sure what to about it, but perhaps you might have an idea. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 04:23, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

I have removed the errors. DTLHS (talk) 04:25, 9 November 2015 (UTC)


Pejorative nouns - do we want a category for these? --SimonP45 (talk) 11:38, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

I don't think so. I think labeling it with context pejorative and the suffix category is enough. DTLHS (talk) 15:50, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


Hey. Could you run your bot over some of these orange-linked terms in User:Metaknowledge/Español? --SimonP45 (talk) 11:40, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Done. DTLHS (talk) 17:02, 21 November 2015 (UTC)


It's okay to leave out the gender, especially if it's not clear, but please remember always to italicise the names of genera and species, such as in this edit. Thanks! —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:34, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

You're right. How do I know the gender though? DTLHS (talk) 00:41, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
If you can fix the template, we'd all appreciate it, but {{taxoninfl}} can't tell that the entry is for a genus rather than a phylum.
As for the gender, that's a little more complicated, and requires some knowledge of Latin. As a general rule, if the specific epithets end in -us the genus is masculine, if they end in -a the genus is feminine, and if they end in -um (except for -orum/-arum) the genus is neuter; other endings are more complex and sometimes the genus is wholly ambiguous and lacks assigned gender altogether. Judging by the genus name itself is somewhat more prone to error, because noun endings are more complicated than adjective endings in conveying gender. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:46, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
{{taxoninfl}} accepts i=1 for italicizing. We could use some Luacizing to support the various unitalicized components of {mostly) subgeneric names, eg, "supsp.", "var." Virus names are italicized at all ranks.
Also {{taxlink}} is intended for temporary use, until we add a Wiktionary entry. I use it to populate User:DCDuring/MissingTaxa from the XML dumps. A small Perl script counts the number of uses of the taxon within {{taxlink}}, which is an indication of the "need" for the taxon. If a taxon enclosed in {{taxlink}} appears with => next to it, then that {{taxlink}} can and should be removed. DCDuring TALK 01:18, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
But, mostly, thanks a lot for working on these. We cannot add all species or even all genera, but we can add the ones in highest use and also many of the higher taxa, which are somewhat useful to supplement the definitions. Our coverage is very uneven and not in always accord with my preferences or any sensible prioritization (Why liverworts?), but any motivation that leads to more entries is good. DCDuring TALK 01:24, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I've been taking some names from /r/whatsthisbug, which seems like as good a place as any to find common usage.
I understand that you use it for tracking, but don't you think it's still useful to tag taxon links even after the entry is created? They can automatically be italicized, and if there are multiple taxa of different levels on the target page it disambiguates the link. DTLHS (talk) 01:27, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
It would be possible to reinstate templates for taxa using bots. I still find that a significant percentage of the taxa I add have more than half of the instances of usage on en.wikt, unlinked. with bare links, wikipedia links, or links templated with {{l}} or {{m}}, so reinstating the links would probably more than double the total number of instances of {{taxlink}} here. I don't really see the point in doing so, but I'm open to the possibility. The logic of italicizing and other formatting contingent on rank or other type of taxon isn't too elaborate, but would require noting the rank of the name and whether the taxon was under the zoological, botanical, or viral codes or used the serological or horticultural formats. IOW a fair amount of information would have to be provided to allow programming logic that would accurately format all cases and be flexible enough should format rules change. If someone would like to develop the Module, I'd be happy to provide what I know. I'd bet that Chuck Entz would help too. DCDuring TALK 04:31, 10 December 2015 (UTC)


Thanks for the taxonomic entries. I'd been getting a bit lazy about new entries. I hope you don't mind the work I do on the entries you create. I feel like I am exploiting your initiative to get myself off the schneid. There are other pools of entries that could use work (eg, liverworts, birds, spiders), but I've gotten a bit bored with them.

I was thinking that I would add a template ({{R:BugGuide}}) to place under External links. It would be designed to go directly to the page that has the most info on the particular taxon, like the other similar templates (not all functional) in Category:Taxonomic name templates. For speed (and politeness to external site) use of the template would require that a specific number from the site be added to the template. As you probably are going to the page, you would be in a good position to add the template with the number. Thanks again. DCDuring TALK 19:02, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

schneid? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 19:09, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
I can't find enough cites for "get off the schneid/shneid", which is the only collocation I've ever hear for shneid/shneid. I think of "get off the dime" and "shit or get off the pot" as comparable in meaning to the collocation. DCDuring TALK 19:14, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Websites say that schneid means losing streak (not quite what I thought). It seems to be so used in sports. The OED has some etymology supportive of that from card games, like gin rummy. It could readily have come into American English from Yiddish, rather than directly from German, but a non-Yiddish German immigrant origin is certainly possible. DCDuring TALK 19:25, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Do you think the template link should be to the tree page or the info page for a given taxon? The tree page is more likely to exist than the info page. It doesn't seem worthwhile to try to offer links from the template to both as the BugGuide site makes it easy enough to figure out it might be worth clicking on other tabs. DCDuring TALK 19:14, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

I used to be very active at BugGuide, and I added a number of etymologies there- but I was trying to use html entities instead of Unicode for the Greek, and so the Greek is rather poor. I also added links to author articles on Wikipedia and to the original descriptions to many pages. I sort of faded out due to things going on in my life at the time, and then I got involved here and I've stayed away to avoid getting sucked back in to being fully active there. It's an excellent site, with quite a bit of expert input.
The tree page is more like our categories- a navigational aid rather than a source of information. I would recommend going to the info page: it's set up to be the main page for any taxon, with the other views all available from there. Chuck Entz (talk) 20:24, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm glad I asked the question. My inclination was to go the other way, but more substantive content is probably better, especially as so many of the other linked sites provide circumscription and placement information. DCDuring TALK 20:36, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
I'll agree with Chuck here. DTLHS (talk) 20:54, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 Done DCDuring TALK 22:03, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Explain this pleaseEdit

Why did you remove the translation here? It would be good to leave an edit summary. Palosirkka (talk) 20:53, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Only English language entries can have translations. DTLHS (talk) 20:58, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Translations of Einzelfall belong at de:Einzelfall. —Stephen (Talk) 01:22, 21 December 2015 (UTC)


Hey D. Any chance of getting an update for User:DTLHS/WantedPages/1 et al? --Stubborn Pen (talk) 11:01, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't seem to have the code anymore. I'll try to get it working again sometime in the next few weeks. DTLHS (talk) 03:06, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Revert of my editEdit

Yeah, just wondering why you reverted my edit at (diff). Bumm13 (talk) 00:45, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

I misclicked. DTLHS (talk) 01:10, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Elsehwere againEdit

Hey. Could you update User:DTLHS/elsewhere again please. Lots of new entries have been created since the last dump. --AK and PK (talk) 12:04, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Done. DTLHS (talk) 20:23, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
Lovely. Expect some more new pages in languages I don't speak. --AK and PK (talk) 09:20, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

contra dancingEdit

Hi again! Sorry to bother you. I was wondering, on the contra dancing page, it defines it as "present participle of dance". Is this intended? "present participle of contra dance" seems to make more sense to me, as contra dance is the verb it's directly derived from... Goldenshimmer (talk) 00:01, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

I'll change it to match deep-frying; please do tell me if it indeed was correct before. Thanks! :) Goldenshimmer (talk) 00:16, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
@Goldenshimmer You're right, my mistake. DTLHS (talk) 02:15, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
Ok, thanks again! :) Goldenshimmer (talk) 03:28, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Catboilers without parametersEdit

Don't do that any more. There's a template called {{auto cat}} that acts as a universal front end for all of those templates, so the logic in the modules themselves to figure out the parameters was removed as redundant. See my fixes at Category:Terms derived from Arnhem languages‎, Category:Terms derived from Ngayarda languages‎, and Category:Terms derived from Tucanoan languages‎. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:28, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

If the templates shouldn't be used they should be nominated for deletion. DTLHS (talk) 04:34, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
That's not the way auto cat works. It has to have the original templates so it can feed the parameters to them. Please discuss this with User:CodeCat if you want to debate it. For my part, your bot's edits had avoidable module errors, so, rather than cleaning up after it in perpetuity, I decided to let you know how to prevent the errors. Sorry if it seemed like I was ordering you around. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:42, 26 April 2016 (UTC)


You asked 'Do you have any evidence of usage outside of dictionaries? DTLHS' re slerib

I do not. John Cross (talk) 15:43, 21 May 2016 (UTC)


I have added some citations to the sugar entry for you. The meaning "diabetes" is very easy to find. The meaning "effeminacy" is harder - mostly it appears in dictionaries and texts about the slang usage. I added three quotes that were the best I could find, but they are not that good. Kiwima (talk) 05:51, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. DTLHS (talk) 15:08, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

User:DTLHS/tracking/La Prensa/20160706Edit

Hi. User:DTLHS/tracking/La Prensa/20160706 is blank - a good sign that it's all done or a bot mistake? --Turnedlessef (talk) 02:15, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Nah just a prelim run that had a bug. Rerunning it now. DTLHS (talk) 02:22, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Also the previous day's :) --Turnedlessef (talk) 20:39, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
What do you mean? DTLHS (talk) 20:42, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
Well, that one had loads of links to entries that were blatantly not red links - qué, , tenía and the likes --Turnedlessef (talk) 19:09, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Oh yeah... I think that site has some weird encoding issue. I won't run it again until I figure it out. DTLHS (talk) 19:10, 11 July 2016 (UTC)


Hi, I've noticed that a couple of weeks ago you made a change in this module. I also noticed today that there is an error on the two test cases pages: Module:hu-pron/testcases and Module:hu-pron/testcases2. I'm not sure what caused it but would you please take a look? I did make a simple modification today, changing the brackets from // to [] at the end of the module, but that works fine in the entries. Thanks. --Panda10 (talk) 17:07, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, fixed I think. DTLHS (talk) 17:15, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! --Panda10 (talk) 17:17, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


Hi. Just wanted to say that that's some awesome work you've been doing recently! You've been a reason for me to stick around here this summer. --Turnedlessef (talk) 20:46, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much. DTLHS (talk) 21:54, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Missing verb conjugationsEdit

Hey there. Again, great job with the recomplicating of Spanish verb modules. One aspect that's now gone, however, is the categorisation of Verbs with red links in the tables. Any way to script that it, so we can easily find out what verbs to send to NadandoBot without manually adding them? --P3459rgo0 (talk) 17:33, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Done I think, hopefully doesn't cause any module errors. DTLHS (talk) 17:47, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
It's beautiful! I was surprised to see us missing so many voseo form on very common verbs. I'll ask the voseo guy --P3459rgo0 (talk) 17:53, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Ooh, any way to pick up Orange Links too? Like we have in intercambiar's past participle forms? --P3459rgo0 (talk) 17:54, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
No that's too expensive. It will have to be done with a dump. DTLHS (talk) 17:55, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
By the way I don't know if you've seen this but it's a lot more complicated than what we display in the table (not advocating including this, it's difficult to find information on anything besides the regular ar/er/ir verbs). DTLHS (talk) 17:58, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

through the roofEdit

I combined the PoSes under a Prepositional phrase L3 header, also rewording the definition to also be a (SoP) prepositional phrase. Does this address your suppressed concern about the page?DCDuring TALK 21:09, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes thanks. DTLHS (talk) 21:10, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
We had a vote that permitted the Prep phrase header. I view it as a technical correction. DCDuring TALK 22:03, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Writing utensilEdit

My bad -- I was convinced I was on the implement page, so removed an example I thought was for the wrong word! Duh! Thanks for restoring. Writing utensil may be less common than ... implement in UK, but I think it's generally understood here. --Enginear 07:04, 22 July 2016 (UTC)


Hi! Thanks for your good work. It's especially nice to see some of my bare-bones entries popping up in the watchlist with the proper citations I would have added if I were less mercurial and more focused. You are a kind of person that our project needs. Equinox 18:12, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I pulled 100 random English lemmas and am trying to expand them all within a month (if I keep up that pace it will only take 300 years to go through 400,000 lemmas). DTLHS (talk) 18:19, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Ahh, that explains a bit. TBH I was particularly impressed by your citing modern game slang like hub world after so many dated or technical terms. It is good to have a grasp of the whole language from ancient to modern. I think we have a lot of folks who either only want to write about things that happened yesterday, or only about verbs from the 1600s whose loss they still resent. Bless their souls. Equinox 18:23, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
P.S. Once someone finally sorts things out so that we can easily record and upload an audio pronunciation, instead of going through 99 steps, I plan to be the voice of British Wiktionary (unless Mglovesfun strangles me first. I've seen how he looks at me). I have some good recording equipment (i.e. I'm not as hissy and noisy as some of our prons) but the current process is such a tedious arse that I gave up after doing perhaps 50 or 60 comp-sci terms. Anyway that would be funny. Almost as cool as being the girl who reads the station names on the London Underground. "Mind-- the gap." Equinox 18:33, 22 July 2016 (UTC)


Hi. It seems there was an old error at desertizar's conjugation, so loads of entries were added - see this page for the mess. I'd've cleaned it up myself, but apparently I am not an admin

This one too (my bad!) --Turnedlessef (talk) 17:18, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
And I screwed up with this too --Turnedlessef (talk) 17:19, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Yeah I noticed that, it's just annoying to clean them up by hand (probably do it with a script later). DTLHS (talk) 17:23, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks so much, because this problem is happening in quite a few entries. MackyBlue11 (talk) 02:50, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Request categoriesEdit

When you have the time, please check if you agree with all the category changes proposed in Wiktionary:Votes/2016-07/Request categories. I am notifying you because you created the RFM discussion about renaming "Translation requests" and "Translations to be checked", and this is a proposal encompassing more categories, which stemmed from your RFM discussion.

I'm interested if there's any objection. The vote is scheduled to start in 2 weeks. The start can be postponed if there's need for further discussion.

I invited people to see the vote in this BP discussion. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 08:47, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Chinese forms tableEdit

You made an edit on the page 綠茶婊 to add the forms, but it didn't show the simplified form. I tried to add it myself but the table now separates each character instead of having the first two together as one word. Do you know how to fix this? This is the first time I've made a page for a Chinese word. Thanks! 2WR1 (talk) 00:53, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Add the parameter "|type=21". DTLHS (talk) 01:11, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

combined formsEdit

Hey! The work on the combined forms looks like a nice start. You may want to check the first-person plural imperatives, however. llamémole instead of llamémosle looks wrong. In fact, llamémosle itself appears rather archaic to me (although in certain parts of the Spanish-speaking world it may be OK - Asturias, perhaps, is more prone to this kind of construction). --Allkokf009 (talk) 21:47, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Also, llamados instead of llamaos seems incorrect. IIRC, the letter d is removed so as not to confuse it with the past participle form. --Allkokf009 (talk) 21:48, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
@User:Allkokf009 Is it just the form with "le": "llamémosle" that retains the "s"? Or should it be "llamémosme" as well? DTLHS (talk) 22:20, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
I think those forms are correct. --Allkokf009 (talk) 00:05, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Is "llamémosse" correct? DTLHS (talk) 22:25, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
"llamémosse" isn't valid, as it'd be something like "let's call itself". --Allkokf009 (talk) 00:05, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Be careful with other invalids with formal/informal, for example "llámenos" is OK as "llame" + "nos", but as "llamen" + "os" it wouldn't work - it'd be something like ordering "Hey (formal) You guys! Phone (informal) yourselves". --Allkokf009 (talk) 00:12, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
llamadse is a similar invalid case --Allkokf009 (talk) 00:23, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Another less common construction with combined forms is with the preterite: murióse and llamóme are a couple of terms I've come across in old books before. I doubt they should be included in your table, unless you want to go superadvanced. --Allkokf009 (talk) 00:19, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi. I have now noticed a few errors:
The acute accent is missing from all the gerund+pronoun forms:
  • with gerund hablando = hablándome (instead of hablandome). All of the -ando/-iendo forms get an accent when an enclitic pronoun is attached.
  • 1st-person plural imperative = -mos + nos = -monos (when attaching nos, the final -s of -amos, -emos, -imos drops out: -ámonos, -émonos, -ímonos).
  • informal 2nd-person plural imperative vivir = vivid + os = vivíos (instead of vivios) (the imperative form vivid drops -d before os, and gets an accent. That is, -id + os = -íos).
  • informal 2nd-person plural imperative of ir is irregular: id + os = idos (not íos or ios).
Some notes on your preceding comments:
  • llamados is a past participle. The command llamad drops the -d before os: llamaos.
  • Spanish does not allow double consonants except in the cases of -cc- (= -ks-), -ll- (= -ly- or -y-), and -rr- (doubly trilled). There cannot be -ss-.
  • The compound enclitic pronouns -lela, -lesla, -lelas, -leslas, -lelo, -leslo, -lelos, -leslos are not permitted. They become -sela, -sela, -selas, -selas, -selo, -selo, -selos, -selos.
  • Thus, escribamos + les + la = escribamos + se + la = escribámosela (let’s write it to them)
  • However, there is no form such as "escribámose" (let’s write itself). That is, se (meaning self, himself, oneself) does not make sense after a 1st-person command, but se (meaning "to him", "to her", "to you", "to them") which comes from le, les when followed by another pronoun that begins with L, can occur.
  • Yes, forms such as murióse and llamóme (modern spelling = muriose and llamome) are antiquated. You’ll find them in older works such as the Bible, El Cid, etc., but in Modern Spanish, we say and write se murió and me llamó. —Stephen (Talk) 01:00, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
@Stephen G. Brown informal 2nd-person plural imperative vivir = vivid + os- does this apply to all -er / -ir verbs? Or would llamad -> llamáos? DTLHS (talk) 01:28, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
All of the -ir verbs. The Spanish vowels i and u are weak (they are pronounced y and w when placed next to another vowel), but a, e, o are strong. So eo (two strong vowels) has two syllables (e-o), but io reduces to yo. In order to keep io from being pronounced yo, it needs an accent, so ío = i-o (two syllables).
The command llamad + os becomes llamaos. The most recent Spanish spelling change dropped the accent from words such as llamáos, since llamaos without an accent is still stressed on the same syllable. The accent did not do anything, so it’s no longer used. —Stephen (Talk) 02:37, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. I have disabled the table for now, I need to work on it some more. DTLHS (talk) 03:05, 4 August 2016 (UTC)


I noticed your citations there and did a little research. I think hardpack in those passages is an error for hardhack, w:Spiraea tomentosa.

For one thing, it's quite common in the New England locales of those articles, often in association with alders. It also has been noted as quite invasive by farmers of the area, and has vertical flower stalks that produce dry fruits containing seeds.

The error isn't as farfetched as it might seem when you consider that old American handwriting doesn't close the loop on the lower-case p, so the part of the letter aside from the vertical stroke(s) looks like the corresponding part of an h. Chuck Entz (talk) 21:52, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! I thought it must have been something like that since I couldn't find any other uses and both of the ones I found were from the same year. DTLHS (talk) 21:53, 5 August 2016 (UTC)


Hi DTLHS, I saw you created Template:en-interj. Can you please help the lamer and create the same for Bashkir please? At this point, I need it at бәрәкәт. Thanks! Borovi4ok (talk) 09:33, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

I did not create it. What do you want it to do that {{head|ba|interjection}} does not? DTLHS (talk) 20:51, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Oops. Thanks and sorry for bothering ) Borovi4ok (talk) 08:01, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
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