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ArchivingEdit

Instead of blank your talk page, you can create an archive and put all of your previous discussions in. Before I do this, I need your approval. Would you like me to create an archive with all of your previous discussion? Pkbwcgs (talk) 17:42, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

No. You can see my previous discussions perfectly well using the history. DTLHS (talk) 17:42, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
It is absolutely fine if you do not want an archive. Pkbwcgs (talk) 17:45, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

consuturaEdit

As this is a reconstructed Vulgar Latin term, I blanked that page and made a new entry in the proper kind of page. Word dewd544 (talk) 16:06, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

You need to delete the page or mark it for deletion. Blanking just looks like you made a mistake. DTLHS (talk) 16:07, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
Ah, okay. Thanks. I've never actually deleted a page until now and didn't know the procedures for doing so. Word dewd544 (talk) 23:16, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

BarnstarEdit

A barnstar for you!

This barnstar is awarded to you for your excellent contributions to Wiktionary! Thank you very much!

Pkbwcgs (talk) 16:28, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Template:es-IPAEdit

I think it would be good to try to use this to end up with the vast majority of Spanish entries having IPA (such as has been achieved with French). There are relatively few exceptions, but identifying them may be difficult (the primary issue that comes to mind is English borrowings, like how gangster is written without the accent but is pronounced with the stress of gángster, and usually more like the spelling gánster). Respellings might also be necessary for something like rayo X, but I can imagine that those cases could be identified. Finding existing IPA that doesn't match with template output might be a good way to identify potential problems. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 01:58, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Since both the template and entries can have accent qualifiers (Latin America, Castillian, others) it's going to be challenging to compare existing IPA to the template output. I will need to think about how to do that. DTLHS (talk) 02:20, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Ideally, es-IPA could be revamped to include those outputs for major accents (like the eccl= parameter for {{la-IPA}}). This isn't an easy task, but I know that you know Spanish to some level, so I hope you can figure out the best way to go about doing this — @Benwing2 may have ideas. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 03:41, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
You can use the model of {{ru-IPA}}, which supports phonetic respelling. I wrote some bot code to check whether the Russian manual IPA matched the template output and convert the manual IPA to the template, and account for common variations in the way that the manual IPA might have been written. After that we went through the remaining manual IPA cases (a few hundred) and converted them by hand. It's not the easiest thing to do but definitely doable. Benwing2 (talk) 04:34, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
{{ca-IPA}} may be a better starting point, given its similarity to Spanish. —CodeCat 22:07, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

IPA character substitutionsEdit

  • Totally unrelated, but are you interested in using your bot to do automatic character substitutions in {{IPA}}? Some IPA mistakes could be fixed easily that way, like use of ' instead of the correct ˈ (e.g. on doğa). —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:25, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
    Sure, that would be easy, I would just need a list of substitutions. DTLHS (talk) 00:27, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
    The following substitutions can be done universally: ' to ˈ, : to ː, ! to !, g to ɡ. There are some more that are language-specific, but the only one with consensus from a vote (and therefore appropriate to do by bot at any time) is for English IPA, r to ɹ. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 03:46, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
    OK, I've fixed those instances and I'll add it to my regular bot tasks. DTLHS (talk) 22:06, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
    There are still some left; not sure how they didn't get caught. Examples: bedriven, cheerio. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 23:09, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
    Sorry, had a dumb encoding bug... DTLHS (talk) 01:32, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
    @Metaknowledge Do you think it's safe to run the same replacements on {{rhyme}}? DTLHS (talk) 23:02, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
    There's another apostrophe: ʹ. Can this also be replaced automatically? DTLHS (talk) 23:11, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
    Re {{rhyme}}: yes, the same replacements can be run. Why have pages like visuri still escaped? And I think ʹ should be able to be replaced, but just to be sure, could you make a list of the IPA transcriptions that use it so I can check first? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 23:37, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
    Because there's another template {{audio-IPA}} that I didn't know about before. And for rhymes I guess I'd have to check if there was a Rhymes: page first. DTLHS (talk) 23:39, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
    Checking for the existence of the Rhymes page is a good idea, but theoretically they should all be in IPA, so if you find a link to a Rhymes page that would no longer work once you fixed the IPA, you'd actually be identifying Rhymes pages that need to be moved (which is a somewhat separate, but also useful cleanup job). —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 23:42, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
    @Metaknowledge [1] DTLHS (talk) 23:45, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
    Thanks, that replacement is good to go in all cases. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 23:49, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
    Another universal substitution: ˤ to ˁ (thanks to Erutuon). —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:19, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
    Got it. DTLHS (talk) 00:21, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
    Going through the category is turning up a lot of weird stuff. Anyway, here's another substitution: ǝ to ə. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:36, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
    And another, to correct Siniticist transcription to IPA: ɿ to z̩. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:47, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
    On a page like this, the comma indicates a pause when speaking rather than there being two transcriptions of the term. The IPA ignores the pause, so the best thing to do here is, IMO, simply to remove the comma. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 01:05, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
  • @Metaknowledge I just noticed that the two exclamation point characters you gave me are the same. DTLHS (talk) 01:23, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
    That's apparently because the Special characters dropdown uses the wrong one too! How can I fix that? It should be ! to ǃ (but I realise now that it may have to be done semi-manually, in case anybody used it as an actual exclamation mark (in which case it should be simply removed, rather than converted)). —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 04:04, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
    MediaWiki:Edittools. But ! is listed as a valid character in Module:IPA/data/symbols. DTLHS (talk) 04:08, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
    That is confusing and presumably also an error. @Erutuon, can you shed any light on this? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 19:29, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
    @Μετάknowledge: I don't think there is a valid use of the exclamation point in the IPA. If one wanted to transcribe the prosodic qualities (whatever they might be) of a sentence ending in an exclamation point, it would be done with different symbols. — Eru·tuon 22:46, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
    Thanks, that confirms it's just a widespread error that we'll have to work on fixing. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:01, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
    By the way, DTLHS, the Edittools is not the same as the Special characters dropdown where the error is. Do you know where I can access that to fix it? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:03, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
    Oh yeah, that thing... I'm actually not sure if that's publicly editable... maybe ask in the grease pit? DTLHS (talk) 00:17, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Triple Braces in Math ExpressionsEdit

In looking through the logs for Abuse filter 56, I noticed a lot of cases of <math>{{{1}}}</math> that were triggering the abuse filter for completely unrelated edits. I replaced them all with <math>1</math> to stop this from happening, but noticed along the way that you had replaced some of these with text. It now seems that these should have been replaced with text from the original articles that was missing from the source that SemperBlotto has been using to create these entries. I don't know how to fix these, but it looks like you might.

Here's a list of the entries I edited:

There also seem to be some left un-edited, judging by coorbit

I realize that you may not have the time for this right now, but my edits might otherwise have led to these going undetected by people looking for this kind of problem, so I wanted to leave a record somewhere. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:02, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Are you saying you don't know the Latex markup? I should be able to add the missing text in these entries. DTLHS (talk) 03:08, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Also even if you don't know how to reproduce the formulas you should be able to see the code in the page source. DTLHS (talk) 03:09, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
By the way I really don't appreciate SemperBlotto creating entries like this, especially when there isn't even a definition. It's the kind of thing he would block an IP for. DTLHS (talk) 03:28, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Latex- that's German for a rubbery substance, right? As for the page source, I know it exists somewhere in Visviva's user space, but I haven't gone through the edit histories to track it down. Executive summary: I could eventually figure out how to fix this myself, but in half the time it takes me to get up to speed, you could probably do the whole thing without breaking a sweat. As for SemperBlotto, the abuse filter warnings should have clued him in that something wasn't right, but he ignored them. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 03:39, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
The page source on the arXiv external link. DTLHS (talk) 03:40, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
FWIW, in my Firefox 51.0.1 on Windows 7, I can right-click on the math in the original page, then click "Show Math As -> TeX Commands" to show the code. I had fixed all pages like those which I found a few months ago, but these entries are new. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 03:41, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

etyl templateEdit

Hi, cud u please explain this edit? I thought that since the Swedish fuska comes from the German pfuschen it didn't make sense to add fi to the Swedish word's etyl template, which is why i put sv instead. Apparently i was wrong, but i still don't really understand what to do next time. --Espoo (talk) 17:55, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Etymologies are categorized according to the entry they are in. In a Finnish entry, all steps in the etymology are categorized as "Finnish terms derived from X". In the Swedish entry for fuska you would use sv. DTLHS (talk) 17:57, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

User:DTLHS/tracking/El Pais/20170305Edit

Hey. You're confusing Spanish and Portuguese here...--Quadcont (talk) 12:17, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

I didn't realize they had a Portuguese section... I'll exclude /brasil/ pages in the future. DTLHS (talk) 15:11, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello, have a problem in several articles and verbets of Wikipedia and Wiktionary in Portuguese, English and Spanish!Edit

Was be saying that comic strip, charge and cartoon are synonymous, when, in really, are different things!

The Comic Strips, Charges and Cartoons: The Origins, Meanings and Differences!, Enlarged Explanations.

Comic strip (tira cômica in Portuguese and tira cómica in Spanish): short duration comics, with the frames (which usually range from one to five, three being the most common) disposed and organized in the form of a strip, such as own name already implies and being or not humorous. The comic strip criticizes the values of society. There are three types of comic strips: daily strips (tiras diárias in Portuguese and tiras diarias in Spanish), usually printed in small quantities because of the pace of publication, in black and white (though some in color) and containing between one and five frames (three being the most common), Sunday boards (pranchas dominicais in Portuguese and planchas dominicales in Spanish), usually printed in large quantities, in color (although some in black and white) and with a larger number of tables occupying a entire page and the yonkomas (yonkomas same in Portuguese and Spanish), of Japanese origin, with four vertical frames (although some in the horizontal) and who always deal with serious matters, but in a humorous form. Etymology: from the American English, comic strip, comic ribbon.

Charge (charge even in Portuguese and Spanish): short duration comics, usually occupying a single frame, containing a satire or message instead of a story and being humorous (although some with more than one frame, with stories and not being humorous). The cartoon criticizes people and things of the contemporaneity and comes as politic manifest in France. Etymology: from the Franco-Belgian French, charger, burden, exaggeration or violent attack.

Cartoon (cartón in Spanish and cartum in Portuguese): short duration comics, usually occupying a single frame, containing a satire or message instead of a story and being humorous (though some with more than one frame, with stories and not being humorous). The cartoon criticizes the situations of the day to day and comes after that was be promoted a drawing concourse in England where the first cartoons was be produced in large pieces of paper. Due to the similarities between the first animated short films and the cartoons printed and published at the time, the animated drawing name in English also refers to cartoon, in full, animated cartoon. The same thing happens in Italian and German, where the cartoon is called, respectively, cartone animato and animierte Cartoon. Etymology: from the British English, cartoon and these of the Italian, cartone, cartone, large piece of paper, stub, study, draft or anteproject.

(Collaboration: users Liebre Asesino and Jim from Yahoo! Answers in Spanish.)

Here they here the articles and verbets for be revised in the respective idioms: https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tira_de_banda_desenhada, https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/charge, https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_strip, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editorial_cartoon, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon, https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tira_de_prensa, https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exageraci%C3%B3n_burlesca, https://pt.wiktionary.org/wiki/tira_cômica, https://pt.wiktionary.org/wiki/charge, https://pt.wiktionary.org/wiki/cartum, https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/comic_strip, https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/charge, https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cartoon, https://es.wiktionary.org/wiki/tira_cómica, https://es.wiktionary.org/wiki/charge and https://es.wiktionary.org/wiki/cartón!

Including and principally, the certain is that the Wikipedia articles (described soon above!) should receive the following names in each idiom: Tira de banda desenhada, Charge and Cartum (desenho humorístico) - in Portuguese, Comic strip, Charge (humoristic drawing) and Cartoon - in English and Tira de historieta, Charge (dibujo humorístico) and Cartón (dibujo humorístico) - in Spanish!

Remembering and highlighting that the caricature has nothing to do with the other three because isn't a form of comic: is, simply, a humoristic exaggerated drawing of something or someone, be real or not, does not even have texts!

In fact, all my editions in this sense are already being reversed, I do not know why, since I understand a lot of comics, so I am a comic drawer, writer and scripter, so that I am no amateur and layman in the Whole subject, see it!

And well, as you can see, the cartoon isn't a type of comic strip, neither the charge is a type of cartoon, if possible, please, warn to your fellow editors to make the changes, very thanks since now for all attention and interest and a hug!

Saviochristi (talk) Saviochristi (talk) 21:46, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

I've seen you add this monstrosity to several talk pages, where it's been universally ignored. Not only does it show that you don't know English well enough to write a coherent sentence, let alone understand its usage, it also shows that you don't understand Wiktionary either- we're a descriptive dictionary: we document language as it's used, not how you may believe would make sense. Please stop. Chuck Entz (talk) 22:28, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Another cleanup ideaEdit

We have a long-running problem with Armenian, wherein certain editors used to give the transliteration in parentheses following a term in {{l}} or {{m}}. Because automatic transliteration for Armenian has been in place for a while, the transliteration appears twice. Many have been cleaned up by hand, but doubtless some still remain. Do you think it would be possible to find these and remove the transliteration in parentheses? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 18:17, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge User:DTLHS/Armenian translit. I looked for instances of the templates followed by a space and opening parenthesis. DTLHS (talk) 18:52, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, that's it — and a lot to fix by hand. Can you remove them by bot? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 18:54, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
No- see the last entry for an example of a false positive. DTLHS (talk) 18:58, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
Couldn't you check if the output of the translit and the text in parentheses match or not? It would be easy to go through the ones where they don't match by hand, and you could fix those that do match by bot. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 19:02, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
OK, in progress now. DTLHS (talk) 18:42, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
I noticed the same thing here for Hindi. Looks like this might be another language where it would be easy to fix this. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 01:57, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
Done. DTLHS (talk) 03:36, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
Thank you! —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 03:51, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

I noticed at parrot#Translations (with Akan) that language renames sometimes leave translations out of alphabetical order. I don't know how easily this could be fixed by bot, though. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 06:55, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. The main difficulty when dealing with translations is that languages such as Chinese or Arabic can have subvarieties over multiple lines that need to be grouped together when sorting and balancing the columns. DTLHS (talk) 15:29, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
@Metaknowledge Do you know if there is consensus for ordering subtranslations alphabetically such as in this diff? DTLHS (talk) 00:54, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm afraid I don't know, although it seems as though there could hardly be opposition to it. @-sche might potentially know more about this. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 01:09, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Thinking about it further there may be other considerations such as the most common script first (for example the Egyptian in word). DTLHS (talk) 01:45, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
I can't find a policy that spells it out (it's not in Wiktionary:Translations, AFAICS), but de facto subvarieties are alphabetized, yes, at least for most languages, and for the languages with the most subvarieties (Arabic, Chinese). (There are entries which are not consistent with this norm, but that's true of any norm...) Spot-checking a dozen large translations tables, the only language where the subvarieties are more often than not out of order is Malay, where I frequently (but not always) find the Rumi script listed before Jawi, and I don't think it would be problematic to alphabetize those, since Latin script is not similarly privileged in e.g. Serbo-Croatian (where Cyrillic consistently appears first). A tricker issue is whether to nest some things as subvarieties or not, and on that front there is more inconsistency (e.g. with Apache, German, Greek, etc). Off topic, I just noticed how confused the translation table at Apache is, with e.g. both Mescalero and Chiricahua listed twice, once each as a subvariety of Apache, and once each again as a sub-sub-variety of the other(!). - -sche (discuss) 01:48, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
I'd love there to be more consistency here but I don't think it's going to happen without some kind of codification of the rules in Module:languages. DTLHS (talk) 02:28, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
@Metaknowledge Finished a run through the translation tables- here is a list of entries that couldn't be parsed for various reasons. DTLHS (talk) 00:46, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
I fixed a couple that were clear errors, but most seem fine, unless I'm missing something. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:53, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
Errors include any line that doesn't start with "* " or "*: ". "Contains comments" can be ignored for now. DTLHS (talk) 01:02, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

Thank you, I'll pay more attention in the future not to forget language heading. Julien Daux (talk) 00:24, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

It's not a big deal- it's easy to detect and fix. DTLHS (talk) 00:26, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

neighbourhoodEdit

It looks as though some quotations were mysteriously changed to the American spelling when you did your edit. DonnanZ (talk) 10:58, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Module:ki-headwordEdit

I was hoping to be able to modify your code for Chichewa and not have to bother you again, but I don't know how to handle the complexity of one of Kikuyu's noun classes. For the plural of class 11, "rũr" becomes "nd" except when the next consonant is m or n, in which case it becomes "n". In the same class, "rũV" or "ruV" becomes "njV" except when the next consonant is m or n, in which case it becomes "ny". ("V" can be any of the following vowels: {a, e, i, ĩ, o, u, ũ}. In every case, V remains unchanged in the plural.) @エリック・キィ, who is also interested in Kikuyu. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 23:32, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge Could you add some test cases for these rules? DTLHS (talk) 16:31, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
It seems like we're repeating a lot of code between the various Bantu languages- maybe we could use a common headword module that they could all call, and just put the rules i n the language specific modules. DTLHS (talk) 16:38, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
I'll add some. And we could indeed do that — you could also make the same argument for Romance languages! —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 17:30, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

HoiEdit

Why did you remove info from this page? When removing edits, please mention why, if you have valid reasons for doing so that is, otherwise it can be seen as you not even knowing about the language you're editing. Grez868 (talk) 21:57, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

You called the language Liechtensteiner German (which we don't have a language code for), used {{nl-interj}} which is a Dutch template, and added Category:fl:Greetings ("fl" is not a language code). DTLHS (talk) 21:59, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
@Grez868 I have restored the entry and added a request for cleanup. DTLHS (talk) 22:08, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

TemplatesEdit

I've reverted my edits on other templates as well, because you expressed concerns. Perhaps as you understand them better you would update them accordingly, so they don't generate the Linter errors caused by mis-nesting etc.

And thank you for helping me identify something that shouldn't have caused the error it did. (Namely that apparently mixing Wikipedia Table syntax and HTML table syntax breaks things.) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:44, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Sandboxed a new version:- Template:ia-conj/sandbox Please test to destruction XD ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:23, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
I've had Enough, I've had it with playing "hunt the random interaction with a quirk, that you are supposed to know by mind-reading". Perhaps you will be able to find someone that can completely re-write the template so it won't show up as having malformed/obselete HTML for some reason.

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:48, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

User:DTLHS/elsewhereEdit

Hey. Any chance of getting a reboot on User:DTLHS/elsewhere? Perhaps one without any lowercase days of the week, and uppercase blatant mistakes too. --G23r0f0i (talk) 17:51, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Updated. DTLHS (talk) 18:00, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, love ya'! --G23r0f0i (talk) 10:27, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
  • How about another update sometime before the end of the month? -WF

saltwaterEdit

Hi, you asked for a specific example for the economic sense at RFV. Do the quotations now present at the entry suffice? Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 11:13, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Effingham CountyEdit

It's been attacked twice in the few days since it was created, it may need some protection. DonnanZ (talk) 17:04, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Lol, I wouldn't worry too much about that.

Combined SpanishEdit

Hi. I was thinking we should put in all Spanish conjugation sections the combined forms. What's my reasoning? To make less work for myself, of course. Feel free to give plenty of sensible reasons why it's a bad idea.

Not every Spanish verb is transitive. DTLHS (talk) 14:45, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Template:l in etymology sectionsEdit

I recently noticed a few examples of {{l}} in etymology sections, while adding asterisks to Illyrian terms. This should usually be {{m}}. Not sure how common this is, but do you think that NadandoBot could or should go through and correct them to {{m}}? On the other hand, if there are legitimate uses of {{l}} in Etymology sections, it would be better for human editors to go through and fix the entries. — Eru·tuon 22:53, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't know what a legitimate use would be. There are a lot so it would have to be done by bot. DTLHS (talk) 00:00, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
Some examples: ŭonbulismo, Bononia, ettle, belave DTLHS (talk) 00:18, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
User:DTLHS/cleanup/l inside etymology DTLHS (talk) 01:26, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

ultimate vs. ultimate frisbeeEdit

The sport is officially ultimate, and colloquially ultimate frisbee, so I think we ought to reference it by the official name. - [The]DaveRoss 03:19, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Right now ultimate redirects to ultimate frisbee as the main entry. What about "English terms related to the sport of ultimate"? DTLHS (talk) 03:23, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
Sounds perfect. - [The]DaveRoss 03:23, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Bot request: create "requests" categoriesEdit

Hello. Could you create all the "Requests ..." categories needed in Special:WantedCategories, please?

I see that you did exactly that for a lot of requests categories when needed these days. That was very helpful, thanks.

So I figured it should probably be easy for you to make the bot do the same work again, if I'm not mistaken. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 20:18, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I'm doing it now. DTLHS (talk) 20:25, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
Great, thanks. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 20:32, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

kvað við klukkanhlaupa á glæEdit

WT:SOP might be what you are looking for68.151.25.115 01:26, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

how do you find entries like 𐍃𐍄𐌰𐌳?Edit

Was wondering about this. I watch the Gothic lemma and non-lemma categories but ones that are added without the proper templates (like that one) go under the radar due to them not being categorized properly. It'd be useful to know how you find them so I can get to bad Gothic entries earlier (like the one here linked, which was a non-lemma variant spelling). — Kleio (t · c) 17:02, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

[2] DTLHS (talk) 17:02, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Grazie mille. — Kleio (t · c) 17:04, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Derivated termsEdit

Hello, thank you for the edit of the page xweş again. I'm new here and I don't know how to work, I'm just learning by watching the edit of similiar pages :D My problem is that I wanted to add a Derivated terms ' page to xweş. How can I do that?

Ah, sorry, I think I misunderstood your intent. Does my latest edit show what you wanted? DTLHS (talk) 17:27, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

RusynEdit

Hi. Rusyn language can use fully automated transliteration. If there are word stresses in the translit but not in the Cyrillic text, they just need to be added in the Cyrillic text. E.g.

Я руси́н, був, єсьм, і бу́ду.
Ja rusýn, buv, jesʹm, i búdu.
I was Rusyn, I am Rusyn and I will be Rusyn.

--Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 02:53, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll do that. I was editing contributions from PetrGruko. DTLHS (talk) 03:08, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

cooled quoteEdit

Why you remove example from 1960 book Sex Jungle read during 1965 film Perversion for Profit?

Re cool#verb I think we should explain this usage.

I could be wrong about murder being the meaning though. http://sginc31.narod.ru/humor/slang.htm mentions "cool" could simply refer to knocking a man out, so the protagonist could have said he never knocked a guy out either, even if he was initially talking about never having killed someone. ScratchMarshall (talk) 19:41, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

I moved it to cool. Please put citations on the lemma forms of words (cool not cooled). DTLHS (talk) 19:44, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

HelloEdit

Are you a zoologist of some sort? Equinox 21:48, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

No, I've just been searching on Google books for zoology terms and then noting what we're missing (a lot apparently). DTLHS (talk) 21:50, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
I once wrote code to go through all Wikipedia articles ending in -idae, check the Google Books hit count for the corresponding -id(s), and create zoology stubs for those that seemed plausible. (This created probably a few thousand, of which I've later found only two or three to be wrong.) Maybe we should do this with other suffixes like -oidea. Equinox 22:14, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
A lot of what I'm finding doesn't seem to be on Wikipedia. DTLHS (talk) 22:15, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
As a general rule, the higher the rank, the less stable the taxonomy is, especially for "in-between" ranks like subfamily, tribe, suborder, etc. You really have to know something about the taxonomy of a group before you know whether it's safe to do automated stuff. Just yesterday, I ran into a common name that ended in -oid, which would normally refer to a superfamily, ending in -oidea, but was really an old name for a family, which used to end in -oides before they standardized the ending to -idae. Another problem with animal -oid names is that suborders end in -oidei, so they can become -oid common names, too. Also, the suffixes for plants and animals don't match- in the case of -idae, that's an animal family, but a plant subclass (fortunately, there are fewer taxa the higher up the tree you go, so there aren't many conflicts in that case). See w:Taxonomic_rank#Terminations_of_names for more details. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:25, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

votationEdit

Hi there. I used to work in the margarine industry. Haven't seen the word "votator" in more than 50 years! SemperBlotto (talk) 05:54, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the definition! DTLHS (talk) 05:57, 16 July 2017 (UTC)


מבישEdit

אתה מוסיף ללא הרף מידע שגוי ולאחר מכן אתה למנוע עריכות לשחזר את המידע הנכון? ילדותי יבריב (talk) 22:19, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

I don't speak Hebrew, sorry. DTLHS (talk) 22:23, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Well my English is bad, so bear with me: Why the hell are you adding incorrect info to Shem HaMephorash and then locking it to prevent it from being correction? How the F is the 'Shem hamphorash' that refers to the Tetragrammaton also a proper noun? That's like saying "the man named Jacob" is a proper noun because it simply refers to a name. English is my 2nd language and it already seems I understand it better then you!. יבריב (talk) 22:27, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
I am asserting it is a proper noun because it refers to a specific entity (just like God and Elohim are proper nouns). I may be missing something in the nuance of the definitions and if so I apologize. DTLHS (talk) 22:33, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
But you have to understand, it's not referring to God, it's referring to God's name, the word itself. That's why it's called Shem HaMephorash. Shem = name. Ha = the. Mephorash = explicit—altogether meaning "the explicit name" In the examples of God and Elohim, we would be referring to the literal words "God" and "Elohim", not the subject they are describing. Take it like this, you have a name. The word 'name' is a noun because while it denotes a proper noun, it itself is simply a noun יבריב (talk) 22:37, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
OK, I've unprotected the entry. DTLHS (talk) 22:39, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Citations:ScientologyEdit

Hi, I see that you rolled back my edits in the Citations section of the Scientology entry. I can see how my edits probably looked like vandalism. However, I ask that you please take a moment and look through the deletions I made and see if they really are appropriate for Wiktionary citations. 22 out of 24 entries in this Citations section are referring to Werner Erhard or est, whose association with Scientology is negligible at best. All of these citations were originally added by an editor who was banned from editing on Wikipedia because of their ongoing and aggressive attempt to promote bias against Erhard and others in related topics. I will provide you with more evidence for this if you are interested. Regardless of this editor's standing however, the Citations section of Wiktionary should not be used as a platform to add content to the internet that slanders people by association and is in my view a manipulation of the intent of Wiktionary. There is far too much undue weight given to a topic only peripherally related to this controversial topic. Taken as a whole, the existing Citations section reads as a critique of Erhard rather than as an illustration of the main topic of Scientology. Isn't the function of a Citations section to illustrate the definition of the main word? If so, then in what way do any of these quotes illustrate this definition? I appreciate you taking a moment to read over the entire section and come to your own conclusions based on the intent of creating a good Citations section. Thanks --CalPolly (talk) 21:41, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough, I've undone my edit. DTLHS (talk) 22:42, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

User:DTLHS/tracking/Juventud Rebelde/20170819Edit

The combined forms thing is pretty useful, D. But they're added as verb-forms, not verb forms. See restregarse. --WF on Holiday (talk) 22:18, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

I saw that, it's being fixed. DTLHS (talk) 22:19, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Dump requestEdit

Hi, could you please generate a list of all templates that contain the text form-of? Thanks. —CodeCat 11:33, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

I think you want this? Dixtosa (talk) 11:40, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
That works too, thank you! I still need to learn more about how search works. —CodeCat 11:46, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Lithuanian form-of entries with no headword templateEdit

While going through the entries in CAT:E I ran into a number of untemplated entries: apparently Dick Laurent created some Lithuanian form-of entries back in 2009 using his bot, with the headword line consisting of nothing but '''headword''' {{g|gender}}. It's not as widespread as I thought at first, but it might be worth a bot run, nonetheless. See turkiškaisiais for an example. Chuck Entz (talk) 13:51, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

I am aware of that, and I'll probably fix the remainder of them soon. DTLHS (talk) 17:17, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Problem With Anagram UpdatesEdit

See diff. Looks like you'll need to tweak your code. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 19:28, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. DTLHS (talk) 19:29, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Hausa requestsEdit

I've got a couple requests. The simple one: how do I use the search to get a list of pages using {{head|ha|noun? The more annoying one: I think {{ha-noun}} needs to be Luacised, because I want to add automatic generation of the possessed form. (Or maybe just the function could be done in Lua and stuck in the template as it is.) Rules for generating the possessed form:

  • The possessed form should be generated with tones and vowel length (so based on what's in head=). If the last vowel is long (marked with a macron), it becomes short in the possessed form.
  • If the term ends in a consonant (any letter other than {a e i o u}) or is composed of multiple words (contains a space), do not attempt to generate one.
  • If the gender is feminine and the word ends in -a, add r̃ to the end.
  • If the word ends in -ai or -au, replace the final letter with n.
  • For all other words, add n to the end.
  • There should be a parameter for overriding the automated form.

Thank you! —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 22:08, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

{{head|ha|noun: [3]. I'll start a module and we can iterate on it. DTLHS (talk) 22:11, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
@Metaknowledge For {{ha-noun}}, could you give the parameter names that you want it to take (right now it looks like it uses 1 and g2 for genders, 2 for plural, f for feminine form, pl2 and pl3 for alternate plurals). DTLHS (talk) 23:48, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
And there's also a sort= parameter that I don't know if you just want to ignore. DTLHS (talk) 23:50, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your help so far! This might be a good chance to modify the head= parameter to be an obligatory positional parameter (I suppose 2, bumping plural to 3), since it always needs to be supplied and writing head= every time is an awful lot of typing. Since that would require a bot run, I'm not sure what the right order of tasks is. As for sorting: I have no idea how it works; there's a sortkey in MOD:languages/data2 and it never has to be overriden, so if that means sort= can go, that's all good by me. And then a parameter like pos= will be needed for an override of the possessed form. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 23:58, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Why don't we make a temporary template {{ha-noun2}} (to be deleted eventually) that can have your ideal parameters, then we can test that and eventually switch the entries over. DTLHS (talk) 00:04, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Example: {{ha-noun2|m|dumā|dumame|f=test|pl2=test}} DTLHS (talk) 00:16, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Looks good to me, although it should have a more user-friendly response to missing obligatory parameters (I guess displaying question marks and categorisation in cleanup categories). —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:23, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
OK, I've added categories for missing headword, plural and gender parameters. DTLHS (talk) 00:33, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Sorry I was unclear — plural is indeed optional. Also, genders other than {m f p} should go in a cleanup category. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:36, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
OK, done. Do you want a category if the possessed form isn't provided and can't be generated? DTLHS (talk) 00:39, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
No, there are a lot of borrowed nouns that just won't have a possessed form. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:44, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
@Metaknowledge So if you're happy with the new template, the plan is to replace existing uses of {{ha-noun}} with {{ha-noun2}}, moving around the parameters, then replace {{ha-noun}} with the new code, then finally replace uses of {{ha-noun2}} with {{ha-noun}} and delete {{ha-noun2}}. DTLHS (talk) 01:41, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks — sounds good. I will start using {{ha-noun2}} in mainspace and you can ping me when it's time to replace it with the final {{ha-noun}}. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 06:05, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Transition is done, also added a few more test cases. DTLHS (talk) 07:18, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Thank you so much! One test case is still failing. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 07:50, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
@Metaknowledge ƙwai has the parameter "gen". DTLHS (talk) 06:58, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, removed. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 07:04, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
  • I've been noticing that a lot of plurals were added without diacritics. Would it be possible to get a list of pages where the second parameter in {{ha-noun}} has no diacritical marks (i.e. none of grave, macron, circumflex, or macron+grave)? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 18:38, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
User:DTLHS/hausa plurals DTLHS (talk) 18:47, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Awesome. I'm still working on the cleanup, but I've got another bot request: could you change the usage of head= in {{ha-proper noun}} to being the second positional parameter? I think the template is ready for that. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 20:00, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Done. DTLHS (talk) 20:19, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
For templates that take both a positional headword parameter and a gender, the convention is for 1= to be the headword and 2= to be the gender. —Rua (mew) 20:22, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Fixed. DTLHS (talk) 19:52, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Unblocking anonEdit

I intended on shortening this anon's block. The reason I blocked him/her in the first place was in order to avoid an edit war and encourage discussing issues instead. --Robbie SWE (talk) 18:43, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Flood flagEdit

I applied the flood flag while you are deleting the langrev templates, so that RC is easier to read. Please unflag when you are finished. Thanks! Wyang (talk) 01:19, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I had forgotten that was an option for mass deleting pages. DTLHS (talk) 02:05, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Does en.WT do revdel?Edit

https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?oldid=47589184&rcid=54371406 - Amgine/ t·e 03:38, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Does this help? It seems like a problem with the database. DTLHS (talk) 03:41, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
Actually Chuck Entz deleted the page after I mentioned it here, which now throws that odd error to main page for everything previously deleted. Which may or may not be an issue for en.WT. - Amgine/ t·e 03:47, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

nyamũEdit

@DTLHS, @Metaknowledge Excuse me, but I am not persuaded about this NadandoBot's edit. Is there any agreement that we should remove all interwiki links including Incubator's? I regarded them somewhat useful...--Eryk Kij (talk) 17:46, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I had some code active to automatically remove any interwikis. If the link can't be generated by the cognate extension I think that it can stay. DTLHS (talk) 17:47, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
Cognate can't handle Incubator links? Ugh, sorry. I guess we'd better file a request... —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 18:12, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Spurious Swahili translationsEdit

Back in 2009, Kasmil added a large number of spurious Swahili translations, and unfortunately, a great many of these are still left. What they would do is assume that one Swahili word mapped to one English word, thus adding a single Swahili word as a translation to every transtable in the English entry, even though nearly all of them would be wrong. An example of Kasmil's edits is here. Is it possible to find these? One useful fact is that Swahili's morphology makes it very unlikely that the same word could be the correct translation for more than one part of speech in English, so that would be a giveaway that mistranslation has occurred. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 03:43, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Talk:fish#Swahili_translationssuzukaze (tc) 04:05, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
@Metaknowledge User:DTLHS/cleanup/swahili translations DTLHS (talk) 04:11, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
That is an excellent list that will probably take me a long while. There will be more out there on pages that just happened not to have multiple parts of speech, though — is there a way to get them through Kasmil's edits? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 04:15, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
No, since I'm not going to download the full history dump- you'll have to go through their contributions. DTLHS (talk) 04:16, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
Alright. Thanks! —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 04:21, 15 October 2017 (UTC)


About dumidzelu lemmaEdit

"Dumidzelu" is ACTUALLY in fact not a true alternate form to dumnidzã since it additionally means "sky". You know, my sources hail from my paternal grandmother who is truly a native speaker. Apparently you didn't notice I added the word "sky" in the brackets there. Thank you if you consider my reminder. - Hanno the Navigator (talk) 14:08, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

rehuirEdit

Hi! I think I found another Spanish conjugation error. rehuir is conjugated like construir, not huir, according to the RAE. I'd change it myself, but those modules are supercomplicated. --P5Nd2 (talk) 17:49, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

It seems like there is some disagreement: the Spanish wiktionary has the stressed conjugation, while Verbix has both. DTLHS (talk) 18:13, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
Personally, I'd trust RAE over WT any day of the week. I mean, I write this stuff, por Dios. --P5Nd2 (talk) 18:27, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
Actually our conjugation already matches the RAE- they say it's conjugated like construir but give it stressed forms like we do. DTLHS (talk) 18:34, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Template:es-adj-invEdit

While I've got Spanish on my mind, would you be able to merge Template:es-adj-inv into Template:es-adj? --P5Nd2 (talk) 17:52, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Your request is resolved.Edit

Regarding glow-up. 175.193.153.88 18:38, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

See WT:CFI, and provide "use in permanently recorded media, conveying meaning, in at least three independent instances spanning at least a year" DTLHS (talk) 18:41, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Glow-up is in active use that satisfies all the rules you cite. Wiktionary is a descriptive dictionary, as opposed to prescriptive. Be an unpaid control freak all you want, but this entry will stay because it satisfies Wiktionary's rules. Just because you are an ugly hermit that knows nothing about beauty-related social media doesn't mean this expression is not mainstream. 175.193.153.88 18:46, 22 October 2017 (UTC) 175.193.153.88 18:47, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Then put some of that evidence on the page before you remove the RFV template. DTLHS (talk) 18:49, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

wioduEdit

@DTLHS: My due apologies for sending my message to the wrong adminsistrator; it was meant for you, as follows - Thank you for noticing my edit which cannot be left as it is and am trying to delete the plural form that is completely false and totally unacceptable; also to present the correct template! Andrew H. Gray 18:45, 31 October 2017 (UTC) Thank you for sorting these lexemes out so promptly! The "o" was in brackets, but is likely to have been in existence as an older rare form that influenced the formation of wudu. The other earlier form, widu is certainly either Germanic, or carried through by that branch. What concerns me is the lack of taking into account the possible hybridity of Germanic with the previous Brittonic in more cases than I probably realise, since the change over could not be abrupt, considering the lack of education at that period. The Germanic 'og' 'ug' and 'oh' suffix to form 'ow' in Anglo-Saxon Old English is just one instance of this. Andrew H. Gray 17:24, 2 November 2017 (UTC)Andrew

I don't know anything about that. Ask User:Leasnam. DTLHS (talk) 17:31, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

EWDCEdit

Hi! Here are your 10 random missing English words for this month. Let me know if you'd prefer a secret alert by e-mail next time.

Equinox 00:53, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

User:DTLHS/tracking/Granma/20170529Edit

Hey. Can you delete User:DTLHS/tracking/Granma/20170529 please. I'm a n00b, so can't slap {delete} on the page --Spreaderofwords (talk) 10:18, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

鏡花水月Edit

(Solved) Swiftyfish (talk) 08:17, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

You destroyed the structure of the entry. Language headers go at level 2, everything else is subordinate. DTLHS (talk) 16:10, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip. Swiftyfish (talk) 03:26, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Module:Vaii-translitEdit

Could you please make a couple quick additions? The symbol ꘌ should repeat the vowel in the syllable preceding it (so if the prior syllable is fa, it should become faa). (Note: you may have to watch out for non-precomposed vowel symbols like ũ.) Also, when the symbol ꘎ is doubled, it should transliterate as ! instead of the expected ... —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 07:05, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge Can you add tests? Module:Vaii-translit/testcases. DTLHS (talk) 00:43, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
@Metaknowledge What if the vowel is already doubled (ꘞ)? DTLHS (talk) 02:06, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
Those should be ignored. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 03:18, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
@Metaknowledge Should be transliterated? DTLHS (talk) 03:29, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
I just fixed that. Thank you! —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 03:30, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
Another one, . DTLHS (talk) 03:45, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

EWDC #2Edit

Hi! Here are your 10 random missing English words for this month.

Equinox 19:39, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Need more workEdit

Hey! When you get a chance, could you update User:DTLHS/tracking/mostwanted/es? Pretty much everything not made on that page is useless crap that should be blacklisted or whatever. --Lirafafrod (talk) 20:23, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Done. DTLHS (talk) 21:08, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Another angleEdit

Another useful place to go hunting for missing Spanish words may well be es.wikisource.org. --Lirafafrod (talk) 20:27, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

@Lirafafrod User:DTLHS/eswikisource. I suspect many of these are obsolete forms, or OCR errors. DTLHS (talk) 22:04, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
Love you, D. --Lirafafrod (talk) 10:53, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
  • @Lirafafrod: Just a reminder that User:Metaknowledge/Español is still not done, and unlike Wikisource, it's not a pile of obsolete spellings... —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 22:55, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
    Yeah, I know about your subpage. But D's new one is way better, hence D gets my love. But I hope you and I can still be friends, MK. --Lirafafrod (talk) 09:44, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
    Anyway, it's kinda cool we've got the old Spanish and the new Spanish covered. Now we just need something in the range of 1920-2010 we can get our teeth into. --Lirafafrod (talk) 09:46, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

uwuEdit

hi i defined uwu earlier x3. why did you remove it? owo i think that its a very important word for people to understand. just want to know your reasoning uwu

I'll restore it with RFV. You should provide evidence of its use. DTLHS (talk) 03:32, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
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