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Again, welcome! — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 15:14, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

"All supposed to be here"Edit

  1. Be nice.
  2. Find me another entry that looks like this.

suzukaze (tc) 05:55, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Answer: It is not easy to find a page like that bcos of SemperBlotto, some editors and MetaKnowledge--TNMPChannel (talk) 01:22, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

It's hard to find because that is not the convention used here. Since Wiktionary is a result of many editors' work, there are set formats for entries to ensure consistency across entries. You can take a look at WT:EL and WT:About Chinese. If you think that the format you're using is somehow better than the current convention, feel free to discuss it at WT:BP. Anyway, thanks for your contributions so far! — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 02:33, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Use my new template Template:ellipsis ofEdit

We have a new form-of template called Ellipsis of. Be sure to use this template for English ellipses!!!!

The source code is {{ellipsis of|term|lang=}}--TNMPChannel (talk) 01:44, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

stick a needle in my eyeEdit

You moved it to stick a needle in one's eye, but when is it ever used without my? You don't say "needle in his eye" for example. Please be more careful with your sometimes quite disruptive edits. Equinox 13:04, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

BabelEdit

Could you add {{Babel}} to your user page? It would be cool. --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:21, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

유비무환Edit

This is definitely not a verb in Korean. —suzukaze (tc) 02:59, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Editing in languages you don't knowEdit

Please do not edit in languages you do not really know or have any resources for. It's better to have less accurate information than to have more erroneous information. I can give you some resources if you can't find them. — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 03:54, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Your Japanese entry at 耕田 was wrong all over. Please stop. —suzukaze (tc) 06:11, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

UnblockEdit

This blocked user is asking that his or her block be reviewed:

TNMPChannel (block logactive blockscontribsdeleted contribsedit filter loguser creation logchange block settingsunblock)


Request reason:

I promise I won't do it again.

What is it that you won't do wrong again? Be specific and comprehensive. DCDuring (talk) 12:21, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

I only want to edit mother language and Japanese articles. TNMPChannel (talk) 16:02, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

If you really want to work with Japanese, you should also indicate your level of Japanese in the Babel box. Looking at your edits, it looks like your Japanese isn't any better than mine, which is level 0. You should also check readings and definitions with a reliable source and not just infer readings based on the kanji. Japanese kanji almost always have several readings, so a particular idiom's reading isn't that predictable. — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 19:17, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Unblocked For NowEdit

Given that you had no idea what you were doing, I've decided to go easy on you. Here are some requests that should stop some of the worst abuses:

  1. Never directly copy content away from where it was added without mentioning what you're doing in your edit comment (this is basically what you were blocked for). It's dishonest, and it breaks our Creative Commons license.
  2. Don't do things you don't understand (if you need something, ask- it's usually easier to create something for you ourselves than to try and figure out what went wrong when you created it, then redo everything):
    1. Templates and modules are very complex. Very few people at Wiktionary have the knowledge and experience to fix any problems that result from your attempts to create them, and they have more important things to do.
    2. Categories are often added by templates in entries, and must fit a certain format. Don't ever move them- it doesn't work unless changes have been made that you don't know about. I would advise against creating them, too, for now. Redlinked categories at the bottom of the page are often the result of mistakes with templates.
  3. Be careful with page moves. Moving the same page more than once is usually a clear sign that you haven't thought things through.
  4. As I've said elsewhere, always click "Show preview" as many times as it takes to fix things before you click "Publish changes". When you create an entry, there's also the option of clicking "Cancel" if there are problems you can't fix. That leaves the entry uncreated. Remember, the goal is to have everything correct, so no one has to fix anything. It's really easy to forget a detail or two- but that's the goal.
  5. Pay attention to what others do and what they tell you. You'll never learn enough by trial and error alone.

I'm sure there are other points that I've missed, but these are a good start. Chuck Entz (talk) 18:53, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

"Pronounciation"Edit

Hi, just wanted to remind you that "pronunciation" is not spelled as "pronounciation". — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 00:12, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Haha. This was just an accident. --123.136.111.15 12:43, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

You need to stop moving pages NOWEdit

You're making a disruptive mess. Equinox 15:37, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

^This. —suzukaze (tc) 05:29, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Please stop. —suzukaze (tc) 10:35, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

“Pronounciation”Edit

Another... accident? Wyang (talk) 04:41, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Please don't tell me this is another one. — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 12:29, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
真的江山易改,本性難移 (diff) — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 15:51, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

LatinEdit

You don't seem to know anything about Latin or how it is handled here, so please do not edit Latin entries. I'd like to reiterate that you have been making a lot of disruptive moves, which other people have told you about above. If you continue to ignore these warnings, you may be blocked from editing. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 07:38, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Furthermore, we have this: 'I only want to edit mother language and Japanese articles. TNMPChannel (talk) 16:02, 3 September 2017 (UTC)'
--Dan Polansky (talk) 07:51, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Attestation of proverbsEdit

Attestation is governed by WT:ATTEST, where the usually applied item is this:

use in permanently recorded media, conveying meaning, in at least three independent instances spanning at least a year (different requirements apply for certain languages).

There, "use" and "conveying meaning" is important. For example, 'The proverb you can't put new wine into old bottles is a reference ...' is not a use but a mention of the proverb, and therefore does not contribute to attestation. This may be a bit surprising, but that is how our attestation works, looking for uses of terms that convey meaning rather than looking for reports of existence of terms.

For another example, In Vas Gratian 1998 book Proverbs, 'You can't put new wine into old bottles.' is merely listed as an item and therefore is not a use.

I would like to ask you: when you create proverb entries, please make sure you can find 3 uses of them. --Dan Polansky (talk) 07:47, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

FYI, when something does not meet WT:ATTEST, we place it to WT:RFV, not WT:RFD. --Dan Polansky (talk) 08:22, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

You created Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2017-09/Must attest for every word entered!, which says "We must attest for every word placed on Wiktionary! Every non attested entry is recommended to be added to Wiktionary:RFV." That is our current long-standing practice. --Dan Polansky (talk) 08:44, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

That is NOT our practice. We challenge only definitions that strike someone as being wrong or, at least, unusual or that are not found in other dictionaries. Flooding RfV with requests is counterproductive. It's hard enough to find the enthusiasm to deal with the normal flow of RfVs. DCDuring (talk) 13:03, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
My mistake, I guess. I think the phrasing is ambiguous, but I have to admit that "We must attest for every word placed on Wiktionary!" sounds like we must place attesting quotations into Wiktionary, which is not our practice. Our practice is to require for each entry that attesting quotations exist somewhere, not that they are in Wiktionary. --Dan Polansky (talk) 06:17, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Attestation issues go to RFVEdit

Attestation issues go to RFV, not RFD. Your diff is therefore wrong; please do not create RFD nominations for the reason of failure of attestation; please create RFV nominations if required. --Dan Polansky (talk) 09:44, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

A series of RFV nominationsEdit

You have put a series of proverbs and idiom to RFV. Why did you do that? Multiple of them look like they are attested. For instance, google books:"old sins have long shadows" looks promising. Please do not make arbitrary RFV nominations unless there is an actual doubt about attestation. Please respond here with at least one sentence. --Dan Polansky (talk) 10:21, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

This looks an awful lot like a hostile reaction to having one proverb entry challenged. It is the kind of childish behavior that makes one think of blocking the perpetrator. DCDuring (talk) 15:21, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

RFD discussion: September 2017Edit

Category:Chinese reduplications, 兢兢業業Edit

This entry is already in this category. There is no need to add it manually. —suzukaze (tc) 00:01, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

中文字詞條目Edit

你好!不是的異體,見《漢語大字典》的條。在編輯的時候請參考各種中文詞典中的處理,一般來說,可以用國學大師這個網站,上面有多種中文詞典的掃描版。另請盡量用編輯框下方的Show preview功能,避免在同一條目多次編輯。多謝。


你好!不是的异体,见《汉语大字典》的条。在编辑的时候请参考各种中文词典中的处理,一般来说,可以用国学大师这个网站,上面有多种中文词典的扫描版。另请尽量用编辑框下方的Show preview功能,避免在同一条目多次编辑。多谢。Wyang (talk) 00:44, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Edit

shoku is not a kun reading. please stop editing japanese entries. —suzukaze (tc) 04:42, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

hendak seribu daya, tak hendak seribu dalihEdit

How would you translate it literally? Ketiga123 (talk) 11:06, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

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