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Alternate definitionEdit

This can also be the name of a musical instrument (finger cymbals), correct? 24.93.190.134 00:58, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Correct, in ancient times, was another name for 碰鈴 (finger cymbals).[1] -- A-cai 20:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Can this be added to the entry? 131.123.120.57 19:35, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

星星Edit

Is 星星 a word? It appears in the title of an old film. 131.123.120.57 19:35, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes. —suzukaze (tc) 10:22, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

〇 variantEdit

According to the Wikipedia page Chinese characters of Empress Wu, was used as a variant of 星. 2602:30A:2CDB:490:1D9E:2F55:395B:5ADA 12:46, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

JA hoshi etymologyEdit

I restored the following:

From Old Japanese. Possible cognates include Korean (byeol, star) and Manchu ᡠᠰᡳᡥᠠ (usiha, star).

This reverted the content below:

From Old Japanese, ultimate derivation unknown. Theories include:

  1.  () (ho, fire) +  (いし) (ishi, rock)
  2.  () (ho, fire) +  (しろ) (shiro, white)
  3.  () (ho, fire) +  () (ki, energy)
  4.  (ほそ) (hoso, thin) +  () (hi, fire)

All four share , as stars resembled small balls of fire, and likely evolved into hoshi by sound change (Can this(+) etymology be sourced?). Possible cognates include Korean (byeol, star) and Manchu ᡠᠰᡳᡥᠠ (usiha, star).

In order, here are the flaws with the content purportedly sourced from Gogen-Yurai:

  1. Ancient ho + ishi would likely have produced modern hishi. See the postulated phonetic development of modern hi from ancient ho + i (ancient nominal particle).
  2. The change from shiro to just shi has no precendent that I'm aware of. Shiro and shira occur as apophones, but never appears as just shi.
  3. Ancient ho + ki *might* possibly form modern hochi, as seen in Okinawa where ki has become chi. However, the palatalization of ki in mainland Japanese has not proceeded as far as affrication, and hochi is not hoshi anyway.
  4. hoso + hi would produce modern hosobi. There is no precedent for this to produce hoshi.

‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 19:34, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

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