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I realize you've been around here a couple of years, but I'm giving you our welcome template because your misuse of language codes in the etymology at void ab initio suggests you still have more to learn. We're trying to phase out {{etyl}}, and it was never right to use {{etyl|en|en}} just to get the language name- that puts the page in Category:English twice-borrowed terms on the assumption that you're referring to a term that was borrowed from English into another language, then ultimately found its way back into English (see English pikake for an example). I would use {{noncog|en|-}} for that. You also used the language code "en" for English with some of the Latin terms, instead of "la" for Latin. I also sent the entry to Requests for deletion/English, because the meaning seems to be covered by the entries for void and ab initio- but I'll leave that to others to decide. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 04:34, 28 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

I would agree that I am still very much learning. I saw the page be put into Category:English twice-borrowed terms and thought it was a little odd, but didn't end up putting too much thought into the fact that I might have made a mistake. The main reason I made those mistakes, funnily enough, was because I was doing what the welcome template suggests and copying from another page, although not with all the thought necessary to prevent error, as is clear now. Now that I look at the template page for {{etyl}} I see that it is very clearly marked as deprecated. I usually look at template pages, but in this case, again, I wasn't thinking as much. I completely agree with you that the meaning is covered by both void and ab initio individually and I'm going to head over there and state such. I also take a second to look over the different pages that the welcome template links to see what I might be missing. —T.E.A. (TalkEdits) 15:55, 28 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

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Hi. anticannibalism is not a hyponym of cannibalism! It's just a derived term. Equinox 05:24, 8 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

True enough! I guess that's what I get for editing late at night :-). —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 18:24, 8 October 2020 (UTC)Reply



This module generates errors now when attempting to generate an English plural. I assume it's your latest edit. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:32, 27 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hey SemperBlotto, that seems very likely to me as well as. As is true for any of my edits, feel free to undo it since it is causing problems. I can always try to make the simplification I was attempting later with the help of more knowledgable people. —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 16:40, 27 October 2020 (UTC)Reply



Hi. This "prejudical" is a rare (probably often wrong) spelling of the normal form. So please keep the citations there. It's not good to cite "prejudicial" with misspellings or odd spellings. Better to keep the oddities in the place where they provide evidence for the odd form. Thanks. Equinox 20:11, 25 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Equinox Got it. I didn't bother to check how common the spelling with one "i" was and so followed what I'd seen on some other entries where quotations of alternative spellings are also hosted at the main entry. —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 21:49, 25 May 2021 (UTC)Reply



Don't Google image search these skin conditions, if you don't know what they are. But wouldn't it be typical for hidradenitis to link to hidradenitis suppurativa in some form or fashion? To my knowledge the suppurativa form (apocrine gland) is the most common. Henstepl (talk) 16:33, 9 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello @Henstepl, I don't understand the relationship between the conditions very well, so i'll give you my general thoughts based off of the impression that I have. first, hidradenitis suppurativa should be listed under a "Derived terms" section at the entry for hidradenitis. If hidradenitis suppurativa is a specific type of hidradenitis then it should be listed under a "Hyponym" section at the entry for hidradenitis and correspondingly hidradenitis should be listed under a "Hypernym" section at the entry for hidradenitis suppurativa. An example for how this can look can be found at the entry for oriented. For general information on this topic see Wiktionary:Semantic relations. take care. —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 17:51, 9 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
Your impression seems correct. It would probably be easier to follow if the term were - I'm making this up - "hidradenitis apocrina", being that it's a condition of the apocrine-type sweat glands which only exist in the groin and a few other regions. (The usual sweat glands are "eccrine".)
But suppurativa is the historical term, and though there seem to be a few conditions called "hidradenitis", the suppurativa form seems indisputably the most common. No other hidradenitis has a Wiktionary article, and I doubt they'd be added anytime soon.
I have added a hyponym to hidradenitis and furthermore linked it to the Romanian translation I found. As for hidradenitis suppurativa, I'd just point out it contains a link back already. If you think anything needs to be done, you can do it. Henstepl (talk) 18:51, 3 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Heads up on quesadilla discussion


I commented in the etymology scriptorium to try to resolve an edit you posted to my contribution where it appears you were fixing my formatting (thank you) but changed the meaning of my contribution. That said, I'm not sure who of the two of us is correct about the etymology, plus I don't know which template to use if I'm correct, so I've refrained from editing quesadilla further. Thisisnotatest (talk) 06:55, 14 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thank you very much for the note and starting a discussion in the Etymology Scriptorium. I'll leave a reply there shortly. Take care. —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 16:23, 14 July 2022 (UTC)Reply



Hi! You need to become an admin. I'll set up a vote for you Almostonurmind (talk) 19:25, 19 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Almostonurmind Please don't, Wonderfool. —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 19:54, 19 September 2022 (UTC)Reply



I saw your userpage of much-wanted words and have had it on my watchlist for quite a while. I just wanted to share a wild guess .... the term taz(z) might be a respelling of one of the two video-game senses of TAS ... either a tool-assisted speedrun (less likely) or tool-assisted speedplay, which I'm less familiar with and therefore might be more likely. If the term is confined to just one game or just a few closely related games, it could have developed a derived sense that might have encouraged the respelling. Soap 10:31, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Also, the sense of go slow youre thinking of is probably what we have as go-slow, but I suppose it should have a verb form too. Soap 10:35, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

I am glad to hear another is interested and finds use it my to do list! As to tazz, your guess is certainly a wild one and I must admit got a little bit of a laugh out of me. The primary reason being that the earliest quote I found while working on tazz is from 1955, long before video games where widespread, let alone communities around TASsing them. Although the first use I was aware of was in the context of a video game, that by no means seems to be the primary context of its use. As to go slow, your probably right on both counts. I did mean go-slow and there very well could be a verb form too. I guess whenever someone (maybe even me?) gets around to it we'll see :-). —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 21:02, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply



hey its me again. I hope you dont mind that I have your page watchlisted. Is that what HP and MP mean nowadays? I looked it up this time to make sure I wasnt wrongly assuming a video game reference when none was intended, but the google results do still seem to be about video games. The meanings I grew up with were always and only ever hit points and magic points. But I've been out of the loop for a long time ... even the few games I've played recently are those specifically designed to mimic the look and feel of the '90s games I grew up with. Soap 10:54, 5 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

As suggested before, I do not mind you watching listing the page and actually actively encourage/appreciate it, so thanks! The terms/senses I added, health power (HP) and magic power (MP), are not the what I am used to hearing and most familiar with, I would guess that the terms/senses are actually dated at this point. "Points" is indeed what I think about for those concepts as well. And you are correct, the context is video games. Specifically, I heard the usage in this video of a video game review. —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 06:49, 6 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

Module:tree chart


Just curious why you copied this from Wikipedia? In general, our module structure is extremely different from Wikipedia's, and trying to bolt on modules from Wikipedia doesn't work so well. Since this module is unused, do you mind if I delete it and the associated templates? Benwing2 (talk) 04:51, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thadh requested someone create something similar to Wikipedia's template on Discord in January and I took it upon myself to look into it. At the time, Theknightwho said that "what we don't want to do is import loads of infrastructure that's only used in a piecemeal way" which I understood and upon looking into it found that the template only had a few dependencies which seemed to pass as not too much infrastructure in my mind and went through with the import. At the time, I had thought Wpi was also interested in such a template though it turns out they were actually more interested in English Wikipedia's table templates. Soap also showed minor appreciation(?) at the time by reacting with a "heart" to news of the import. With all that history of how the template itself came to be imported from Wikipedia, the actual indented use being discussed at the time was for visually illustrating the meanings of kinship terminology rather than using kinship abbreviations, over long descriptions, or a table like {{ka-kinship}}. —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 07:27, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
To clarify at the time I was thinking of implementing the tree chart with a {{table:family tree}} template on Wiktionary rather than things on Wikipedia, but anyways {{tree chart}} should be usable for that purpose with a few tweaks. – Wpi (talk) 07:48, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
(e/c)Thanks for the long explanation of the history. I completely agree with Theknightwho that we should not import stuff used piecemeal from Wikipedia; people often want something from Wikipedia and import all sorts of dependencies which end up duplicating dependencies already in Wiktionary, creating a maintenance burden. The question is, this module isn't currently used, and is it likely to be used in the future? If not it just creates a potential maintenance headache and would be better deleted. If you're not sure and want to keep it around in case of use, we can set a time limit, e.g. if someone doesn't need it by the end of the year, it should be deleted. Or just ask the people who requested it if they realistically will need it; if they're not sure, it's probably better to delete it and re-import when needed.
To User:Wpi: Are you realistically planning on doing this in the near future? If not, IMO we should delete it and re-import when needed. Benwing2 (talk) 07:51, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Benwing2: I don't think I have the time and energy to implement this in the meantime. Feel free to delete it then. – Wpi (talk) 09:54, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Benwing2 Apologies for the delayed response, it seems people won't be using the template and module anytime soon, so feel free to delete them for now. —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 19:21, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply



if you meant to put the -i- there, i think it's a mistake. that looks like a misspelling of intermontane to me, although it gets enough hits in scholarly papers that perhaps we should list it. Soap 21:08, 30 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

I took a quick peak on Google Scholar and I did see a solid number of hits, so it could be an alternative form, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is considered a missspelling. More research would be needed to precisely determine which. The spelling could potentially be influenced by pronunciation of montane/intermontane. For the record, you can see a copy of the source I saw the spelling at [1] in the top image. —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 02:54, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Equinox's folder


Hello, infrequent Wiktionary lurker and rare contributor here, noticed that Equinox is gone and also saw that folder "Enjoy" they made available. You said you saved it and would give it to any enterprising snooper. Well, I would appreciate having it for my own personal archival reasons, if you would be so obliged. Thank you and have a good day. Nervelita (talk) 10:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Nervelita Sure, I've uploaded a copy which is available for download at Note that the uploaded zip that you'll see "TheGoodStuff - by Equinox of English" is not the original ZIP file name, instead the original "" is nested inside. I did this in hopes of avoiding accidentally tweaking any of the metadata (e.g. last modified date) of the original zip. That said, the "" file inside is exactly as I downloaded it from the link Equinox posted as he left, I have made no modifications to its internal contents. If you ever need a new link to the file, since the one provided earlier in this reply will eventually expire, feel free to contact me again. Take care. —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 22:54, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you very much! Already downloaded. And thanks for taking measures against not tweaking any metadata. Nervelita (talk) 08:58, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
You're welcome. —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 19:23, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Reply