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editḱǵʷʰ₁₂₃l̥m̥n̥r̥āēīōū<ḗ ṓ ā́ ī́ ū́-ĺ̥ḿ̥ń̥ŕ̥<<ə-k̂k̑ĝ
- EVOs
- LISTS
- APPENDICES
- INDEXES
- AFFIXES
- ROOTS from Category:Proto-Indo-European roots
- User:Sobreira/PIE roots bd 26+32=58
- User:Sobreira/PIE roots g 27+14=41
- User:Sobreira/PIE roots h 68
- User:Sobreira/PIE roots klmn 32+15+13+4=60
- User:Sobreira/PIE roots pr 33+3=36
- User:Sobreira/PIE roots s & () (37+20)=57
- User:Sobreira/PIE roots twy 13+22+3=38
- ADJECTIVES, VERBS & NOUNS
- CASES
- User:Sobreira/*pele-
- User:Sobreira/*h₃nobʰ-
- User:Sobreira/PIE "oak": *h₂eiǵ- > *h₂eyǵ- Done (eg, *eiǵ- ek/eik, *eiḱ oak)
- User:Sobreira/PIE "tree": *dóru < *derew(o)-, R-P deru- (cf. *perkos/*perkʷu- > forest/forêt usw; & *bʰeh₂ǵos > beech usw)
sources
edit- I have been thinking all day about this topics (9-10 forms and variants for one concept!) and I have ended up realising that due to
- 1) my lack of knowledge on PIE evolutions
- 2) the lack of consensus on PIE as I understand (I have just read about the Leiden vs. Beekes conjugation, not to mention the glottalic theory) and
- 3) the lack of material at my disposal (not to mention Pokorny is not legitimate any more);
then I have to give up on doing anything systematic about Appendix:List of Proto-Indo-European roots, and even less about nominals/verbs. Unless you all feel I could be entitled to protract all the conflicting variants and intermediate etyms to the ultimate root, I have to desist. I am quite unsure and picky on this topic, and meticulous, systematic and think very theorically in general, so if I don't do it that way then I don't feel comfortable. I will indeed try to state the etymologies for the GL words I meet following the simple pattern GL<LA<PIE (starting from PIE, not from GL), so I will probably go through all of them, or at least try a few of them. I will rely only on the few modern available materials I found or could find that I think worth it (if you know any other, please let me know):
list
edit- GENERIC for LA>PIE on the net:
- dictionary.com,
- AmHeritage,
- utexas updating Pokorny,
- etymonline, wikipedia articles on PIE,
- roots at ielex and -maybe- the
- etimologiasdechile aforementioned when izquierda which I don't like and wouldn't trust so much;
- Roberts-Pastor specific for ES or I make my library buy the
- IEED Leiden-Brill for Latin by de Vaan;
- SPECIFIC for GL>LA on book: 4 Galician
- (Ir Indo/Estraviz/SéculoXXI/GDXeraisL) and 1 Portuguese
- Houaiss general dictionaries stating etymology) and try to source my edits.
- Of course I will try to leave track of my search on User:Sobreira/*pele- and so on (including all of them in upcoming User:Sobreira/PIE), to save time and work in case anyone with knowledge enough engage in the task of uniformizing the chaos. In that case, I would appreciate the courtesy of being warned. Thanks all for the recommendations, knowledge shared, respectful and patient treatment and time.
- And because all of this, I think we should consider seriously the proposal of transclusion I said above, or some other way of solving this problem. Sobreira (talk) 17:53, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
- I've digitized for my own research use a list of all roots in
{{R:ine:LIV}}
some time ago; I'd still need to verify it against Kümmel's online repository of
- I've digitized for my own research use a list of all roots in
- Addenda und Corrigenda [to LIV²] ....--Tropylium (talk) 20:32, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
to do
edit- Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/paw-
- Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/h₂éǵeti
- check/revise User:Sobreira/PIE-EtyFormulas
- references like Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/h₂éd
- superindex like Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/h₂éd or Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/ten-
- alternative variant reconstructions or notation stated and redirected, like Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/ád
- expliciting why variants are variants (grade, (a)thematic, suffix)
- then create suffix
- cognates with box and template:cog in ozols, sobreira like ac#Old English, aesculus#Etymology, fledge#Etymology, beech#Etymology, wither#Etymology 1, book#Etymology 1
- no internal hyphens
- perhaps transcluding Derived terms (intra PIE) and Descendants (post PIE)
- perhaps Levels for Derived terms
- place for Synonyms
- Descendants > Derived for *ǵʰes-, *gʷem-, *h₁es-
- be bold with *h₂eyǵ-
- Reconstruction:Latin?? ([1])
- Category:Latin terms by PIE root
As cores do sol: Colours in PIE |
User:Sobreira/PIE-appendices and categories
to do2
edit- create in Category:Proto-Indo-European terms by PIE root
- insert { {PIE root see}} in root
- insert in derived { {PIE word}}, but they won't let me
also:
Policies
edit- Not reconstruct when descendants in only one language? No, redirections.
- Simply Alternative forms with only one
- Alternative reconstruction or Alternative form
- Why two roots/etyms for Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/kréwh₂s? Why two ~descendants in Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/krewh₂-#Derived_terms? Both answers might be related.
- Why *h₁er- a noun with "-"?