Talk:姛

RFV discussion: December 2022–January 2023

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姛

Chinese. Rfv-sense: ideographic compound for 女同 (nǚtóng, “lesbian”). Tagged by @沈澄心 — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 07:45, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Pinging @Fourier-Deligne Transgirl who added this sense. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 07:46, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

. @Justinrleung: What do you mean by verifying? I guess you can search for the character on any site with some sinophonic LGBT population say Twitter... --Fourier-Deligne Transgirl (talk) 09:19, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

@Fourier-Deligne Transgirl: 'Verify' in Wiktionary jargon usually means citing evidence of widespread use, or at least three independent uses in durable media (so, usually not Twitter) over the period of a year or more. I often check things like newspapers, press releases, and the like. See Wiktionary:Criteria for inclusion. Cheers, Cnilep (talk) 07:29, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@Cnilep: the thing about Chinese languages is that the homophobic (and fascist) Chinese Communist Party controls almost all medias and it's hard to find these occurrences among them, which means in this case the cited criteria actually contradict the Wikipedia's NPOV guideline. furthermore, as a human rights activist I'm actually trying to conduct studies on how the CCP seizes our own native languages and narratives and the means available to us to reclaim them, so basically a war of linguists against the CCP; leave a message on my talk page if you're interested in these. --Fourier-Deligne Transgirl (talk) 08:00, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@Fourier-Deligne Transgirl: Is this term used outside of Mainland China, say in Taiwan, where it's less restricted? Also, is this Internet slang? With a simple Google search, I am barely getting any results that are clear uses of this term. Would you be able to link to some uses (regardless of whether it's durably archived)? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 15:17, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: I think I've heard of Taiwanese posting that I guess. And I think it used to be an Internet slang, a homophobic one even, but then our community reclaimed it, or something similar to that. And maybe just search on Twitter... --Fourier-Deligne Transgirl (talk) 18:56, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

• RFV failed. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 08:29, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

@内存溢出的猫 —Fish bowl (talk) 21:03, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Fish bowl

姛 site:bilibili.com on Google gives the following results:

• 分享姛图  ―  fēnxiǎng 姛 tú  ―  share lesbian pictures
• 姛学  ―  姛 xué  ―  (lesbian) classmate / the lesbian culture
• 不是姛  ―  bùshì 姛  ―  not a lesbian
• 是个姛  ―  shì ge 姛  ―  is a lesbian

姛 site:lofter.com:

• 女姛  ―  nǚ 姛  ―  lesbian
• 姛游戏  ―  姛 yóuxì  ―  lesbian games

姛 site:weibo.com:

• 磕耽美cp同人女说自己是姛 [MSC, trad. and simp.]

  kē dānměi cp tóngrén nǚ shuō zìjǐ shì 姛 [Pinyin]

  The female BL fanfiction enthusiast claims herself to be a lesbian

• 姛向注意避雷  ―  姛 xiàng zhùyì bìléi  ―  Please be aware that this work contains lesbian themes
• 姛性恋  ―  姛 xìngliàn  ―  lesbian
• 真姛  ―  zhēn 姛  ―  a real lesbian

Weibo search (archive.ph):

• (2023-05-24 21:10 UTC+08:00)

  往家里买了两本姛本子，只求我妈不要开封，开封了也不要翻开看 [MSC, trad. and simp.]

  wǎng jiālǐ mǎi le liǎng běn 姛 běnzǐ, zhǐ qiú wǒ mā bùyào kāifēng, kāifēng le yě bùyào fānkāi kàn [Pinyin]

  I bought two GL doujinshi and I just hope my mom doesn't open them. And if she does open them, I hope she doesn't read them.

• (2023-05-24 20:06 UTC+08:00)

  感觉自己是姛真的​ [MSC, trad. and simp.]

  gǎnjiào zìjǐ shì 姛 zhēn de​ [Pinyin]

  I feel like I'm a lesbian, for real.

• (2023-05-24 19:15 UTC+08:00)

  想当年她还一直嘲笑我是姛，到现在我俩都已经确认关系了，唉，令人唏嘘 [MSC, trad. and simp.]

  xiǎng dāngnián tā hái yīzhí cháoxiào wǒ shì 姛, dào xiànzài wǒliǎ dōu yǐjīng quèrèn guānxì le, āi, lìngrén xīxū [Pinyin]

  Back in the day, she used to make fun of me for being a lesbian. But now, we've both confirmed our relationship. Sigh, it's really bittersweet.

• (2023-05-24 15:08 UTC+08:00)

  米哈游又偷偷卖w:Non npc女铜，姛是没有好下场的呵呵 [MSC, trad. and simp.]

  mǐhāyóu yòu tōutōu mài w:Nonnpc nǚ tóng, 姛 shì méiyǒu hǎo xiàchǎng de hēhē [Pinyin]

  Mihoyo secretly sells lesbian NPC characters again. Being a lesbian doesn't end well, hehe.

内存溢出的猫 (talk) 13:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@内存溢出的猫: None of these are durably archived, which means we might need to resend this to RFV for discussion. The quotes also need to span at least a year, which doesn't seem to be the case unless I'm missing something. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 14:18, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Justinrleung Then just do it. Neither did I expect it to be so widely used in terms of frequency before performing some searches, but I believe this usage has been around for several years, as it is not something suddenly went viral recently. Note that many results on Bilibili are posted in 2022, and it is hard to find older results on Chinese social media if not logged in. 内存溢出的猫 (talk) 14:32, 24 May 2023 (UTC)