User talk:Njardarlogar

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Language namesEdit

Please do not put brackets around the variations of Norwegian, they just cause extra work for our format bot. See User:AutoFormat/Languages for the currently permitted list. Conrad.Irwin 20:40, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Testing templateEdit

If you are working on a new inflection line template for Norwegian Nyorsk verbs, you might look at {{es-verb}} for ideas. It is a very recently written template (so the code is up-to-date) that automatically generates regular endings for Spanish verbs, but still allows irregular forms to be explicitly added. --EncycloPetey 22:03, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for the tip. I already think I am nearing something useful; although the amount of irregularity among the irregular verbs makes alot of variables necessary. All of the following four verbs should be generated from the same template:
leggja [legga] (present tense legg [legger]; past tense la/lagde; past participle lagt)
liggja [ligga] (present tense ligg [ligger]; past tense låg; past participle lege/legi)
lyta (present tense lyt [lyter]; past tense laut; past participle lote/loti)
vera (present tense er; past tense var; past participle vore/vori)
..and they all differ from each other. --Harald Khan Ճ 22:29, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Handling ittegular verbs can be done a variety of way. I can't offer meaningful help without knowing what is regular. If you could prepare a list showing what regular verbs do, or point me to a page that does this for the forms to be included in the template, then I might be able to help. --EncycloPetey 16:29, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
I see now that I should have told what exactly I am doing. I have been modifying the template nn-verb. The reason that I started modifying it, was that alternative forms that certain verbs have, had been left out by the template creators. Now that these are in place, this template should be more or less fully functional (I've also asked for comments on Wiktionary talk:About Norwegian, since it is the first template I am editing on wiktionary). Thanks. --Harald Khan Ճ 15:41, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


Hallo, Harald. Siden vi for tiden er svært få som arbeider med norsk her, har vi ennå ikke fått på plass noe standard oppsett for norske ord. (Det ble arbeidet litt med dette på Wiktionary:About Norwegian). Det store spørsmålet er naturligvis om alt skal plasseres under den felles overskriften «Norwegian», eller om vi skal ha to overskrifter «Norwegian Bokmål» og «Norwegian Nynorsk». Det er, slik jeg ser det, fordeler og ulemper med begge løsningene: Med én overskrift sparer vi plass og merarbeid, mens det blir mindre rotete og forvirrende med to overskrifter. Problemet med to overskrifter er imidlertid at ikke alt kan plasseres i kategoriene «bokmål» og «nynorsk». For det første har vi jo riksmål og høgnorsk. Kan det tenkes at noen vil begynne å legge inn overskrifter som «Norwegian Riksmål» og «Norwegian Høgnorsk»? I så fall kan vi potensielt få fire forskjellige seksjoner for ett norsk ord. Det neste problemet er dialektord som av og til kan forekomme i skrift, og som ikke umiddelbart kan karakteriseres hverken som «bokmål» eller «nynorsk». Dertil kommer historiske former (f. eks. kløive, haape, gjente) som vanskelig kan kalles «bokmål» eller «nynorsk», ettersom disse begrepene er forholdsvis nye...

For at arbeidet med norsk skal komme skikkelig i gang, er vi avhengige av å avklare formateringsspørsmålet. Derfor skulle jeg være interessert i hva du mener om dette, altså om vi skal ha én eller flere overskrifter, og hva vi skal gjøre med de vanskelige tilfellene jeg nevnte. Hilsen Kåre-Olav 11:15, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Hei sann.
På sida «her» lét eg det nett vera ei blanding; ==Norwegian== lot eg representera bokmål og nynorsk sidan me har ei lik tyding på båe språka. Eg oppretta òg ein nynorsk-bolk for tydinga som ikkje finst i bokmål sidan det er snakk om ein annan etymologi og ein annan ordklasse. Høgnorsk/landsmål og riksmål kunne ein jo ha plassert under nynorsk og bokmål respektivt, sidan det er tidlegare former i ubrotne rettskrivingar. Meir dialektale ord har vel òg gjerne ei naturleg tilhøyrsla i ein av dei to målformene; om ikkje kan ein vel plassera dei under ==Norwegian== desse òg, og spesifisera nærare kva slags ord det er.
Nokon lingvist er eg uansett ikkje ;-) --Harald Khan Ճ 14:26, 24 December 2009 (UTC)


Hi, I've done this edit, because it seemed like a nonsense, but perhaps you'll want to do something else with the word (I've no Norwegian so I don't know if it's a real word at all). --Thrissel 22:56, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I'm not sure where that translation should be, if anywhere; but at least " frifot" means "at large", where frifot is a noun that can be used in similar expressions. --Harald Khan Ճ 11:21, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I put it to "at large" so it's not lost altogether. Thanks for explaining. --Thrissel 23:15, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

{{nn-decl-noun-m1}} og {{nb-decl-noun-m1}}Edit

Hei Harald! Du får unnskyld for disse… Jeg prøvde å finne de skikkelige maler, men jeg er en gammel kronidiot med data og slike tinger, og jeg fant ikke dem. Så, hva jeg gjorde istf. de riktige malene skal tydeligvis slettes, tenker jeg òg.

Skulle det være mulig å ha så finne maler som vi under de svenske substantivene? Og så for de andre skandinaviske språkene?

Øøøh… Jeg trenger hjelp også til å få «unified login» opprettet, fordi det er noe i veien. Kunne du hjelpe meg, eller vet du hvem kunne gjøre den?

Takk på forhånd for svaret.

Vennlig hilsen. ৵ Kąġi Oȟąko Ƭ 14:34, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Åh! Mente du {{nn-decl-noun-m1}} and {{nb-decl-noun-m1}}? ৵ Kąġi Oȟąko Ƭ 15:13, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Brackets for nokorEdit

Why? Mglovesfun (talk) 11:48, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

It is not the only word that uses the brackets. It is used to indicate that it is not a main form, but a secondary form that cannot be used in official writings by people hired by the state nor can they be used in school books. Pupils and everyone else can use them and still write a 100% correct, however. --Harald Khan Ճ 11:53, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Norwegian entriesEdit

Hi there. Norwegian entries should have the ==Norwegian== language header. See Wiktionary:About Norwegian for details. SemperBlotto 09:56, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

No, that is just a draft. No policy has yet been established; see the discussion page for recent debate on the topic. --Harald Khan Ճ 10:00, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

bokmål and nynorskEdit


By no means, I wish to make one version of Norwegian better than the other. The assisted method for Norwegian generates Norwegian for the language code "no", which seems to be a de-facto standard or "default" Norwegian if you wish. "nn" generates "Norwegian Nynorsk", which can be nested below Norwegian. If both are identical, there would be no need to display both variants at all but users would want to know the Norwegian translation. On a second thought I checked Wiktionary:About_Norwegian and see that both headers are used but this way:

* Norwegian
*: Bokmål: {{t-|no|mer}}
*: Nynorsk: {{t-|nn|meir}}

Sorry if I angered you. --Anatoli 11:51, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

I'll reply on your talk page. --Harald Khan Ճ 11:54, 16 May 2010 (UTC)


What does the Ճ in your signature mean? --Vahagn Petrosyan 23:46, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi there. It's not supposed to mean anything, I just thought that it was an awesome letter when I first found it. :-) (looks a bit like two crossed swords)
I am afraid that I know near to nothing about Armenian beyond this letter. --Harald Khan Ճ 08:40, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Lol. --Vahagn Petrosyan 14:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Norwegian entriesEdit

It seems to me, that the discussion on WT:BP#Norwegian headings ended with a consensus for only one ==Norwegian== heading. So would you please stop creating entries with ==Norwegian Nynorsk== and help me to change the existing ones to ==Norwegian==? --LA2 20:29, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

I do not see any consensus there - let's not jump the gun. Njardarlogar 09:32, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

So, as an experiment for the new consensus of splitting Norwegian into ==Norwegian Bokmål== and ==Norwegian Nynorsk==, I today split fjell into two sections. Hope that's fine. From mountain#Translations we need to specify both translations, but should we use {{t|no|fjell}} or {{t|nb|fjell}} for Bokmål? With nb, it will link to fjell#Norwegian bokmål (fine) but also to the non-existing nb.wiktionary. With no, it will link to the non-existing fjell#Norwegian. Most of the existing translations use t|no (4568 translations), t|nn (297 translations). Should we switch to t|nb and modify the template {{t}} so it links to no.wiktionary? --LA2 19:24, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

It needs to be {{t|nb|fjell}} as that is the correct language code, which is thus also the one used for inflection templates etc. I have been thinking about requesting a change to the {{t}} template for a while, but never got around to it.
With a total split, we should also make no obsolete for translations, and make the script being used on the Wiktionary suggest the codes nb and nn instead, for greater usability. Njardarlogar 19:37, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Starting to use lang=nb for Norwegian Bokmål has the advantage that lang=no becomes a marker for old entries. Within English Wiktionary (which is my scope), it will be enough a change to the template so {{t|nb|...}} links to the existing no.wiktionary. I have no intention to change its domain name to nb.wiktionary.
I created a frequency list Wiktionary:Frequency lists/Norwegian and started from the top, splitting i, og, av ... and the 30 most common words into two sections. But the example sentences might have to be adjusted to each language. Can you check if som needs some more information from the Bokmål entry? And how should ved bli separated? --LA2 20:10, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
By making no obsolete for translations, I do not intend to make it dysfunctional; only that usage of the code should be discouraged, and, if possible, that the script editor.js could inform users to either select nb or nn. Apart from the fact that the nb should refer to no.wikt, this has nothing to with domains. In fact, the no.wikt domain is correct as they have decided to use both language forms there (I think that is a poor idea, so I stick to the nn.wikt myself). The Bokmål Wikipedia, on the other hand, lies incorrectly at no instead of nb.
If you are going to split more entries, I think you need to use a dictionary. The Norwegian entry at som concerned both languages, while the Nynorsk entry concerned a meaning that is only preserved in Nynorsk. The usage examples at at both i and av were Bokmål and should not have been replicated to the Nynorsk entry. There is also no guarantee for that all the meanings for a word in one language form exists in another one. I have not much time myself at present to take part in cleaning. Njardarlogar 09:17, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

The discussion is back at Wiktionary:Beer_parlour#Norwegian Bokmål/Nynorsk. --LA2 23:50, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Etymology problemsEdit

Wiktionary:Todo/etyl_problems has a number of Norwegian terms, for some of which, at least, you have added etymologies. If you could understand and correct the problems, perhaps you would prevent them in the future. Happy editing. DCDuring TALK 00:57, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

It concerns what was debated at WT:BP weeks ago. It has not been propagated for a while I think, at least not by me. Njardarlogar 09:06, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
The header and the {{etyl}} problems are distinct. The {{etyl}} problem predates the discussion. I think there is a need to make the second parameter in the template coincide with with language name in the L2 header. DCDuring TALK 09:27, 13 May 2011 (UTC)```
Yes, this "problem" is old - however, it is part of the same topic (e.g. with a two header-solution, there could be no such problem). Njardarlogar 13:30, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Icelandic word classesEdit

I've replied to you on my talk page. – Krun 16:49, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

om#Norwegian BokmålEdit

Could you please check and improve this entry so that we can delete its cleanup category? Thanks —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 02:46, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Some help?Edit

Could you help User:FredrikMH a bit with Norwegian templates? They're adding table code directly to entries, so I suggested that they use templates instead. But I'm not familiar with what's available for Norwegian. —CodeCat 23:14, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Not only that, the tables are actually incomplete for at least one noun class, with some parallel forms missing. --Njardarlogar (talk) 23:27, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Script error on spørjasEdit

Could you have a look please? —CodeCat 22:06, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

A case of missing backwards compatability. The word in question is no longer part of the official standard, so the entry is kind of dubious in its present form, script errors or not. --Njardarlogar (talk) 22:23, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Module:error messageEdit

What would this be used for exactly? Wouldn't it make more sense to use Scribunto's built-in error function? And also, why is it using HTML elements that have been deprecated for at least a decade? :p —CodeCat 22:34, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

I know "nothing" about HTML, that bit I've picked up somwhere. You can see an example of usage here. Hadn't thought about built in functions, but I am not sure if those are what I am looking for. Can't get error() to work for me. --Njardarlogar (talk) 22:44, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Really? It's just error("Message to display"). What happens when you use it? —CodeCat 23:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
I get Script error. See e.g. this and the associated talk page. Do you have a working example? --Njardarlogar (talk) 23:17, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Have you actually clicked on the script error? XD —CodeCat 23:58, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
I don't think it's mentioned anywhere that clicking on the red text will provide debugging information, despite this being pretty crucial..
It's definately not doing the same thing as my error message module. It's not user-friendly enough, and on the surface of it, it even looks identical to e.g. a syntax error in the module, which a template user with no knowledge of Lua and modules could not be blamed for. --Njardarlogar (talk) 10:40, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
It's meant to show a script error, which isn't the same as just a syntax error, but more general. I think it is a good idea to use it when someone uses the template/module in a way they're not supposed to, because it automatically puts the entry in a category. —CodeCat 14:12, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Categorisation is as trivial to implement through modules as it is through templates, so that shouldn't be much of an argument.
I didn't mean to imply anything about syntax errors in particular, it's just that the information is more hidden with error(). I am sure throwing script errors has its uses too, but not in the main namespace; it would be too cryptic and unaccessible for the average user. --Njardarlogar (talk) 14:32, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Then I think that the display of script errors should probably be changed. It seems like a very bad idea to reinvent the wheel just because it doesn't have rubber tyres... —CodeCat 15:45, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Might want to consult the devs on this. --Njardarlogar (talk) 17:45, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
I agree that this module should be deleted. The red, clickable error message is only going to be seen by editors, not by general users. Editors should know to click it. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:47, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
It is pointlessly complicated. If a template is missing an argument, you want a simple in-line message, not a table/box that appears at a click. Keep it simple. --Njardarlogar (talk) 17:45, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Balancing HTML tagsEdit

I’m seeing this in some functions:

gender_text = {
         m = "<span class=\"gender m\" title=\"masculine gender\">''m<span class=\"gender-period\">.</span>''",
         f = '<span class="gender f" title="feminine gender">\'\'f<span class="gender-period">.</span>\'\'',
         n = '<span class="gender n" title="neuter gender">\'\'n<span class="gender-period">.</span>\'\''}

There are two opening span tags, but only one closing tag. I can’t tell where this function is called from, so I don’t want to mess with it, in case the tag is closed elsewhere in your code. Michael Z. 2013-03-09 16:28 z

Wouldn't it be better to use Module:gender and number? —CodeCat 16:31, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I haven't gotten around to that yet. I'll look into it. --Njardarlogar (talk) 16:41, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Category:Entries using form-of templates with a raw link/inflection ofEdit

This category currently contains a number of Norwegian verb and noun forms that have alternative forms listed in the link. I figured that there are probably dedicated Norwegian templates for this, so could you have a look and convert them please? —CodeCat 03:18, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

I'll look into it. --Njardarlogar (talk) 18:44, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Cleared. --Njardarlogar (talk) 10:47, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

mysterium and other script errorsEdit

This entry currently has a script error triggered by {{nn-noun-ium}} and Module:nn-noun-reg. There are also a few personal pages and templates in Category:Pages with script errors. Could you have a look? —CodeCat 19:24, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Is it an issue that user (sub)pages contain script errors? --Njardarlogar (talk) 09:02, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
I moved them to a subcategory so it's not such an issue anymore. Of course it's still better if they don't have errors, though. :) —CodeCat 12:47, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

gripe (Nynorsk)Edit

Hi, I wonder whether you can work on this entry at some stage? I have separated Nynorsk from Bokmål, but haven't succeeded in removing the reference to Bokmål in that infernal template. Donnanz (talk) 12:04, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Fixed it. --Njardarlogar (talk) 21:47, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! Donnanz (talk) 22:02, 13 March 2015 (UTC)


The n1 template doesn't work with "tre" for some reason. It's the same with juletre, which I am going to rewrite. Donnanz (talk) 09:40, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Think I know what went wrong. Also think I'll experiment some with a test page that shows whether changes to scripts introduce errors. --Njardarlogar (talk) 11:39, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
I tried that trick with juletre but it didn't work, have you changed something since? Donnanz (talk) 11:47, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, the the word itself needs to be provided as the first argument to the template, as this is what the suffix -et will be added to. --Njardarlogar (talk) 11:49, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
OK, I'm not a template expert. I have altered christmas tree to Christmas tree (Christmas is capitalised). Donnanz (talk) 11:57, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
I've altered the module again so that it now assumes that -et should be added to all regular neuter words, so it's no longer necessary to use the argument for words like tre. Now it's only necessary to use it for neuter words that do not follow the rule indef. sg. + -et (of which I currently can't think of any examples). --Njardarlogar (talk) 16:00, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
OK, brilliant. I'll see how it works with the next neuter entry I do. The Bokmål neuter templates are OK, except they don't work for sted if I remember. And tre words in Bokmål have to be done manually. Donnanz (talk) 18:44, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Another thought. The Nynorsk m1 template doesn't work very well when the plural has a different spelling leaving out an "e" I think. I can get around it with the m1 template in Bokmål, but the same trick doesn't work in Nynorsk. Donnanz (talk) 19:15, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Do you have an example? --Njardarlogar (talk) 19:38, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Just remembered that eple is an example of a word that disobeys the previously mentioned rule. --Njardarlogar (talk) 19:49, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
With eple (Bokmål) the n2 template applies. Anyway, I have dug up three examples - ankel (Nynorsk) (nn-noun-m1), which works OK with "ankl", jungel (Nynorsk) (nn-noun-m1) where "jungl" doesn't work, and handel (Nynorsk) where "handl" doesn't work (I've just tried it again with nn-noun-m1, and head|nn|noun|g=m is being used instead). Donnanz (talk) 20:18, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
jungel and handel are now working. --Njardarlogar (talk) 20:43, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Ah, wonderful! And the inflections for jungel were there all the time. So all the "el" forms should be OK now? Donnanz (talk) 20:49, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Some existing entries might be incorrect due to a potential lack of backwards compatibility with the old m1 template that did not rely on Scribunto; but once they use the template like jungel and handel do, they should be correct. --Njardarlogar (talk) 20:57, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I think I have raised enough issues for one day... Donnanz (talk) 21:00, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Actually...I think I'll have to revert the change I made for n1 yesterday, as the case -e-et seems a lot more common than -e-eet (as can be verified by browsing this list). So it's back with the argument for the trees. One group will need to have the argument, as there is no way to tell which word belongs to which group from the word itself. --Njardarlogar (talk) 11:03, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

  • Yeah, I added bartre (Nynorsk) only yesterday, using "nn-noun-n1|bartre". That works fine. Donnanz (talk) 14:13, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

mye (Nynorsk)Edit

Do you think this entry should be scrapped? I think only mykje is used in Nynorsk, but I could be wrong. I added meste (Nynorsk) today, and linked it to mykje. Donnanz (talk) 13:57, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Since 2012 it has no longer been part of official Nynorsk; and I don't think it was used much while it were (part of the reason it was dropped, I presume). --Njardarlogar (talk) 13:49, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Oh, I see. I note that you have dealt with it, thanks. Donnanz (talk) 09:14, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

(none), (+), (nb), (no)Edit

Invalid parameters on Template:nn-verb-irregEdit

There are some Nynorsk entries that have invalid parameters on this template, and they are now showing up as module errors. Could you fix these please? —CodeCat 16:43, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Throwing errors for unused parameters seems rather draconian. Is this a new policy? --Njardarlogar (talk) 17:33, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
  • I had a message yesterday from User:Chuck Entz on this subject, asking if I could help, but I'm not sure what to do. I think it's up to those who change templates and modules to rectify the damage caused. He gave a link to a list (Category:Pages with module errors). Donnanz (talk) 16:44, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm not happy with CodeCat for doing this, but I don't want to get into an edit war over it. Meanwhile, we have a number of module errors in Nynorsk entries that nobody's doing anything about, and I have no way of telling whether the old parameters are just extra or if they contain data that should be transferred to other parameters. I can see how it might be a bit galling to be put in this situation, but I'd appreciate your help, anyway. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 02:14, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
The problem is that the information passed as arguments to the template is not really invalid, yet I am not sure how to best handle it (they used to be rare, yet officially sanctioned inflected forms (but aren't any more)). Just removing these inflected forms from the entries doesn't really seem like a step forward; and I question the wisdom of throwing module errors over unused parameter names. --Njardarlogar (talk) 08:46, 9 December 2015 (UTC)


I think it should be spelt vedunderleg. It was entered by Meco in 2008, who is now globally blocked. So should it be deleted and replaced by the correct spelling? Donnanz (talk) 12:24, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

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