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ايکيEdit

Is the wrong spelling for this entry? I was under the impression that Azeri uses the dotless final ya. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 19:42, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

That's right, South Azerbaijani follows Persian spelling conventions, and Persian doesn't use the dotted final ya, plus google doesn't return any results in Azerbaijani under ايکي. Historierummet (talk) 19:56, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. I'd better find out if there are any more offenders. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 20:26, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Azerbaijani vs AzeriEdit

Hi. I always wanted to ask the community to rename the language name for Turkic Azeri to Azerbaijani to distinguish it better from the Iranian language Azeri. Do you have any thoughts on this? --Vahag (talk) 17:35, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Couldn't agree any more. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 18:36, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Then I'll try to find time and bring this to the attention of WT:BP. --Vahag (talk) 19:05, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Could probably just post at WT:RFM. It's not an issue that will require a vote or garner a lot of interest. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 19:09, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Ethnologue lists it as Azerbaijani, Glottolog as Azerbaijani, the endonym is Azerbaijani (Azərbaycan dili). True, there are other endonyms (türki 'Turkic' in South Azerbaijani and so on), but none of them is Azeri. So this Azeri-thing is really out of place.Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 10:14, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
All right, I requested the change at WT:RFM. --Vahag (talk) 14:01, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Matal wordsEdit

Jallo, I wonder, what do the words ala and aŋa mean? --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 15:42, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello. aŋa corresponds to English of and is used in all sorts of possessive constructions. Not sure about ala, could be a conflation of the local preposition la and some sort of particle. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 15:49, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

palaxEdit

Hi. Are the etymologies of dialectal Azerbaijani palax, yeryapalağı (short) transparent to you as a speaker of Azerbaijani? --Vahag (talk) 10:18, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello. No, it's not transparent to me. I've never heard neither word, but I'm no L1-speaker anyway, so it's probably not very helpful. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 11:15, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. As long as they are not obvious inner-Azerbaijani formations, my theory of connection with Old Armenian բալախ (balax) has a right to exist. --Vahag (talk) 17:43, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
Sure. Maybe add "possibly" to clarify that it's not established.Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 20:27, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
I used "compare" in բալախ (balax). Can't get any more cautious. --Vahag (talk) 11:36, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
In the etymology section for palax it merely says "From Armenian բալախ (balax), dialectal փալախ (pʿalax)." If no Armenian connection is given in either of the two sources that are listed in the references, I think a "possibly" should be placed there as well. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 13:46, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
I was talking about Etymology 2, with the meaning "short". --Vahag (talk) 14:12, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Azerbaijani templatesEdit

Hello, I completely forgot I was watching the talk page of the user who nominated those Cyrillic conjugation templates for deletion; he never replied and the templates were deleted. Do you think they should be restored? I don't speak the language, but they seemed fine to me. Ultimateria (talk) 20:16, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello! No, they shouldn't be restored, they are outdated. What I think s/he did was replacing them with a more elegant, single template which encompasses all conjugations. It looks like a nice job when it comes around, it was just a bit unclear back then. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 20:40, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
Oh, I see. So now {{az-cyrillic-verb-conj}} needs to be created? Could you adapt that from the Roman script template? Ultimateria (talk) 20:55, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm afraid I'm no good with templates and trying to tinker with them... That's why I've been waiting for Metaknowledge to fix a template that I want for Azerbaijani verbs since last year, basically. I could perhaps take a look on it later, but it's really no rush - no one is creating entries for items in Azerbaijani Cyrillic alphabet, since it's barely in use any more, and all existing entries are doublets of the Latin ones.Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 21:22, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

söyüş usage exampleEdit

please make a better usage example. 2602:252:D2B:3AA0:85A2:1A9E:D7F7:47BC 20:53, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

What exactly is your major malfunction, son? Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 20:55, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
It annoys me. 2602:252:D2B:3AA0:85A2:1A9E:D7F7:47BC 20:59, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
What do you mean, "it annoys you"? And why does exactly this example sentence, in a language that you obviously don't know a word of, annoy you? Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 21:14, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for adding another usage example! By the way, can I remove the first one? 2602:252:D2B:3AA0:85A2:1A9E:D7F7:47BC 21:16, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
No, you cannot. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 21:19, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Please? 2602:252:D2B:3AA0:85A2:1A9E:D7F7:47BC 21:19, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Hey, IP user, please stop annoying editors. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 23:30, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Your JavascriptEdit

Hi, thank you! Of course I can write one for English Wiktionary. But who should I contact to in order for this to be implied into Common.js page? Because it needs to be loaded on everyone. ~ Z (m) 19:27, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Can you not make it like one of those user extensions, that are available optionally? Like this one https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Dixtosa/AjaxEdit.js Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 19:43, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi! Came bearing good news. :) I have finished the "EntryAdder" for this wiki, and it is much more improved than I wrote in Turkish Wiktionary. I am gonna transfer the same codes to there as well, because this one is better. Anyways, I suggested to use it here. But you can always test and use it by adding this to your "common.js" file:
mw.loader.load('/w/index.php?title=User:HastaLaVi2/EntryAdder.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');
Have a nice day! ~ Z (m) 22:48, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Looks very promising. I will create new entries using it and leave feedback and suggestions on improvements to you, if that's OK. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 23:00, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Of course! I would be very much appreciated by a users feedback on the gadget. :) Also if you are usually active on another wiki, I could also implement this into there as well (if wanted). ~ Z (m) 19:40, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

qələməEdit

Hi. Can you translate for me this definition of qələmə from {{R:az:QADL}}: "qovaq ağacının bir növü, bəzi rayonlarda əbrişim, səhv olaraq çinar da deyilir"? As I understand, there are three tree names here. --Vahag (talk) 14:51, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

"A kind of poplar tree, also called əbrişim in certain districts, as well as erroneously çinar (=chenar, plane tree, sycamore)"
Also, on the Pedia page Populus#India the following is said: "The trees are grown from kalam or cuttings [...]" No idea whether this has anything to do with anything, though.
Can you create յարամազ when you've got time? Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 16:32, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
I guess this “cuttings” word has to do with Arabic قلم‎. Fay Freak (talk) 19:47, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. This “cuttings” lead is intriguing, but its Arabic etymon cannot explain կաղամախ (kałamax), because Armenian had no Arabic borrowings in the 5th century. Also, it contradicts my invention, so let someone else explore it :). յարամազ (yaramaz) is ready. --Vahag (talk) 20:32, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
This seems to be referring specifically to Hindi क़लम (qalam, pen; cuttings) (which is indeed from the Arabic) which has been influenced by a native word कलम (kalam, shoot, seedling). I think the "cuttings" sense is a later Hindi (or Indo-Aryan) innovation. The term does not specifically refer to poplars either. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 20:44, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Comapre Persian قلمه(qalama, slip). It is from Arabic قلم(pen) (because both are long and thin). Not connected with poplars. --Calak (talk) 21:40, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
I am glad this was a dead end. --Vahag (talk) 12:23, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Proto entries with no descendantsEdit

Hi Allahverdi (nice user pager, BTW -- looks somehow familiar), could I ask that you not create proto entries without descendants, like your did with this page? Even if they are sourced, they should have descendants attached to them, if they indeed have any. Thanks. --{{victar|talk}} 19:47, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Sure they have descendants, in most of the 135 or so Chadic languages. There are long cognate lists in Jungraithmayr & Ibrizhimow. As to why I created the Proto-Chadic entries, they are useful for many contemporary languages' etymology sections. For instance, many Matal entries are linked to them. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 22:36, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
In the example above, nothing is linking to it. If there are contemporary descendants, please include them in such entries. --{{victar|talk}} 00:41, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Etymology templatesEdit

Why are you doing this? Please use {{der}}. Per utramque cavernam 12:17, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

It's fine to link the non-standard script lemmas to their etymons, but only the standard script lemmas should use {{der|bor|inh}}. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 12:22, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
Oh, I hadn't noticed. I think the current situation is quite confusing; зејтун looks, for all intents and purposes, like a lemma form, complete with glosses, declension table, etymology section... Wouldn't it be better to remove the etymology and convert the glosses to something like "Cyrillic script form of zeytun"? Per utramque cavernam 12:28, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
This solution is exactly what I've always wanted (maybe declension table is useful and should be kept, but the rest is just the same as in the Latin sctipt-lemma). But I don't know how to do it, technically. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 12:32, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
I agree that the Cyrillic spellings should be a soft redirect to the Latin spelling. There is no constituency currently using the Cyrillic alphabet for Aerbaijani, like there is for Serbo-Croatian. --Vahag (talk) 09:02, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
The process of replacing the content in Cyrillic entries with a redirect template has now begun. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 09:48, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
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